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[–] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 16 points 1 year ago (1 child) Guns getting sucked into MRI machines is a recurring news story at this point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SaltSong@startrek.website 9 points 1 year ago (4 children) So, a moment of curiosity. If my theoretical pistol did get pulled into am MRI machine, stuck against it by the magnet, and I, for the purpose of scientific inquiry, pulled the trigger, should I expect the bullet to fire more or less as normal, to fire, but the bullet be pulled back to the machine, or for the bullet to not move, or not move more than an inch or so from the barrel? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] selfAwareCoder@programming.dev 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) But to address your main question, most bullets are not magnetic. Some are, in which case idk how the mri would impact them. But most would fire as normal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago I guess it depends on the steel parts. I'm sure there are other magnets. In any case, if the firing pin or hammer or anything in the trigger mechanism is steel, it's going to be difficult to move to actually fire. Say the bullet has a steel tip or core though, and we are able to fire it. The force pulling that bullet is going to prevent the bullet from going much of anywhere. Let's pretend the barrel and firing chamber are frictionless and indestructible.the bullet will leave the gun, but immediately curve into the magnetic field, inevitably into the MRI itself, but likely not very far. It would be pretty fun to watch though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaltSong@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago Ah, interesting. Good to know. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MartianSands@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) Realistically, the mechanism would jam. I doubt the hammer would fall, being squeezed hard against whatever structure supports it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Most modern pistols are striker fired not hammer fired. I’d venture a guess nothing out of the ordinary happens thanks to lube and springs. Gun fires. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MartianSands@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) That's an implementation detail, not really relevant to my point. I don't think you appreciate how powerful those magnets are. Any ferromagnetic object would be doing well to avoid binding up completely when held right up to the device permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago I do appreciate how strong the magnets are. The force between a two 1cm square steel plates in a 2T field is about 159N or 36 lbs of force. I do not think the contact area between parts of the trigger / sear etc and striker / whatever else are more than 1cm square, they’re also lubricated. Given the orientation of the pistol could also change, making the friction force less effective, I think it’s possible that a pistol is able to fire after being sucked into the MRI. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaltSong@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Interesting. Not the answer I'm looking for, but still interesting. Thanks for the information! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago Probably higly dependent on the specific gun/mechanism permalink fedilink source parent [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2023/02/12/lawyer-dies-after-shot-by-his-own-concealed-gun-triggered-by-mri-machine/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SaltSong@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago Interesting. Good to know. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago That poor chair permalink fedilink source parent [–] Corn@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Lead is not magnetic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Taleya@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago It's also non ferrous, which is rather more the point permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 9 points 1 year ago (4 children) So, a moment of curiosity. If my theoretical pistol did get pulled into am MRI machine, stuck against it by the magnet, and I, for the purpose of scientific inquiry, pulled the trigger, should I expect the bullet to fire more or less as normal, to fire, but the bullet be pulled back to the machine, or for the bullet to not move, or not move more than an inch or so from the barrel? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] selfAwareCoder@programming.dev 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) But to address your main question, most bullets are not magnetic. Some are, in which case idk how the mri would impact them. But most would fire as normal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago I guess it depends on the steel parts. I'm sure there are other magnets. In any case, if the firing pin or hammer or anything in the trigger mechanism is steel, it's going to be difficult to move to actually fire. Say the bullet has a steel tip or core though, and we are able to fire it. The force pulling that bullet is going to prevent the bullet from going much of anywhere. Let's pretend the barrel and firing chamber are frictionless and indestructible.the bullet will leave the gun, but immediately curve into the magnetic field, inevitably into the MRI itself, but likely not very far. It would be pretty fun to watch though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaltSong@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago Ah, interesting. Good to know. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MartianSands@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) Realistically, the mechanism would jam. I doubt the hammer would fall, being squeezed hard against whatever structure supports it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Most modern pistols are striker fired not hammer fired. I’d venture a guess nothing out of the ordinary happens thanks to lube and springs. Gun fires. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MartianSands@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) That's an implementation detail, not really relevant to my point. I don't think you appreciate how powerful those magnets are. Any ferromagnetic object would be doing well to avoid binding up completely when held right up to the device permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago I do appreciate how strong the magnets are. The force between a two 1cm square steel plates in a 2T field is about 159N or 36 lbs of force. I do not think the contact area between parts of the trigger / sear etc and striker / whatever else are more than 1cm square, they’re also lubricated. Given the orientation of the pistol could also change, making the friction force less effective, I think it’s possible that a pistol is able to fire after being sucked into the MRI. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaltSong@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Interesting. Not the answer I'm looking for, but still interesting. Thanks for the information! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago Probably higly dependent on the specific gun/mechanism permalink fedilink source parent [–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2023/02/12/lawyer-dies-after-shot-by-his-own-concealed-gun-triggered-by-mri-machine/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SaltSong@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago Interesting. Good to know. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago That poor chair permalink fedilink source parent [–] Corn@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Lead is not magnetic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Taleya@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago It's also non ferrous, which is rather more the point permalink fedilink source parent
[–] selfAwareCoder@programming.dev 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) But to address your main question, most bullets are not magnetic. Some are, in which case idk how the mri would impact them. But most would fire as normal permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago I guess it depends on the steel parts. I'm sure there are other magnets. In any case, if the firing pin or hammer or anything in the trigger mechanism is steel, it's going to be difficult to move to actually fire. Say the bullet has a steel tip or core though, and we are able to fire it. The force pulling that bullet is going to prevent the bullet from going much of anywhere. Let's pretend the barrel and firing chamber are frictionless and indestructible.the bullet will leave the gun, but immediately curve into the magnetic field, inevitably into the MRI itself, but likely not very far. It would be pretty fun to watch though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaltSong@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago Ah, interesting. Good to know. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago I guess it depends on the steel parts. I'm sure there are other magnets. In any case, if the firing pin or hammer or anything in the trigger mechanism is steel, it's going to be difficult to move to actually fire. Say the bullet has a steel tip or core though, and we are able to fire it. The force pulling that bullet is going to prevent the bullet from going much of anywhere. Let's pretend the barrel and firing chamber are frictionless and indestructible.the bullet will leave the gun, but immediately curve into the magnetic field, inevitably into the MRI itself, but likely not very far. It would be pretty fun to watch though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago Ah, interesting. Good to know. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MartianSands@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (2 children) Realistically, the mechanism would jam. I doubt the hammer would fall, being squeezed hard against whatever structure supports it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Most modern pistols are striker fired not hammer fired. I’d venture a guess nothing out of the ordinary happens thanks to lube and springs. Gun fires. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MartianSands@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) That's an implementation detail, not really relevant to my point. I don't think you appreciate how powerful those magnets are. Any ferromagnetic object would be doing well to avoid binding up completely when held right up to the device permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago I do appreciate how strong the magnets are. The force between a two 1cm square steel plates in a 2T field is about 159N or 36 lbs of force. I do not think the contact area between parts of the trigger / sear etc and striker / whatever else are more than 1cm square, they’re also lubricated. Given the orientation of the pistol could also change, making the friction force less effective, I think it’s possible that a pistol is able to fire after being sucked into the MRI. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaltSong@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Interesting. Not the answer I'm looking for, but still interesting. Thanks for the information! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago Probably higly dependent on the specific gun/mechanism permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Most modern pistols are striker fired not hammer fired. I’d venture a guess nothing out of the ordinary happens thanks to lube and springs. Gun fires. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MartianSands@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) That's an implementation detail, not really relevant to my point. I don't think you appreciate how powerful those magnets are. Any ferromagnetic object would be doing well to avoid binding up completely when held right up to the device permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago I do appreciate how strong the magnets are. The force between a two 1cm square steel plates in a 2T field is about 159N or 36 lbs of force. I do not think the contact area between parts of the trigger / sear etc and striker / whatever else are more than 1cm square, they’re also lubricated. Given the orientation of the pistol could also change, making the friction force less effective, I think it’s possible that a pistol is able to fire after being sucked into the MRI. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MartianSands@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) That's an implementation detail, not really relevant to my point. I don't think you appreciate how powerful those magnets are. Any ferromagnetic object would be doing well to avoid binding up completely when held right up to the device permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago I do appreciate how strong the magnets are. The force between a two 1cm square steel plates in a 2T field is about 159N or 36 lbs of force. I do not think the contact area between parts of the trigger / sear etc and striker / whatever else are more than 1cm square, they’re also lubricated. Given the orientation of the pistol could also change, making the friction force less effective, I think it’s possible that a pistol is able to fire after being sucked into the MRI. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago I do appreciate how strong the magnets are. The force between a two 1cm square steel plates in a 2T field is about 159N or 36 lbs of force. I do not think the contact area between parts of the trigger / sear etc and striker / whatever else are more than 1cm square, they’re also lubricated. Given the orientation of the pistol could also change, making the friction force less effective, I think it’s possible that a pistol is able to fire after being sucked into the MRI. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) Interesting. Not the answer I'm looking for, but still interesting. Thanks for the information! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago Probably higly dependent on the specific gun/mechanism permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 3 points 1 year ago Probably higly dependent on the specific gun/mechanism permalink fedilink source parent
[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2023/02/12/lawyer-dies-after-shot-by-his-own-concealed-gun-triggered-by-mri-machine/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SaltSong@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago Interesting. Good to know. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago That poor chair permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago Interesting. Good to know. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Corn@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Lead is not magnetic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Taleya@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago It's also non ferrous, which is rather more the point permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago It's also non ferrous, which is rather more the point permalink fedilink source parent