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[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

This is just the Dave2D video again. This isn't a rigorous comparison, lacking steps like confirming that the hardware actually is identical or any in depth analysis/optimization of settings for either OS. For a literal out-of-box comparison of press units this is useful, but beyond that... we should really wait for a more reputable group to publish their results. This was pretty clearly rushed just to be the first one to post any results.

I don't expect Win11 will win, obviously, but until a reputable group tests this we should really hold off on declaring victory just because a fancy infographic told us we were better. That's apple fanboy shit.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

In the video, the guy claims it's the same device, with the same hardware, just the color is different. Do you think the guy got it wrong? Or do you think Lenovo made different variants of those devices?

[-] [email protected] -4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You're dictating a binary to me, which isn't exactly fair. I don't think either of those, one way or the other, I think it's important to have an answer to those questions and questions like them. It's very common for design revisions / model variations to have differences in hardware, and it's easy to verify that this is/isn't the case. The fact they didn't do this, compounded with the other steps in ensuring an accurate comparison that they present no evidence of completing, make it clear that this is either badly presented or sorely lacking in rigor.

As a test comparing out-of-box performance a case could be made that this is useful, but since they're comparing with what appears to be a press unit (clarifying how they acquired the units is yet another thing they didn't do iirc) it's not even safe to assume it's representative of the final product.

I am not saying I doubt Steam OS will smoke Win 11, I am saying that we should hold off celebrating until we have much more rigorous tests to point to besides a seven minute youtube video from some rando who's grandly calling the victor in one of the more important races that has ever existed between operating systems.

[-] bdonvr 4 points 3 weeks ago

confirming that the hardware actually is identical

You think it's likely Asus lied and put a new chip in?

[-] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

No I don't think lenovo lied (though that's, you know, historically not at all out of the question), it's just extremely common practice for there to be hardware differences between two design revisions of a system which manufacturers don't feel the need to announce. I think it's also quite easy to verify that this was/wasn't done beyond a reasonable doubt, and the Dave2D video presents no evidence that they took this very basic step. It's an oversight that a more established group would be given the benefit of the doubt on, but since this is a fairly obscure channel it instead indicates a lack of rigor that, compounded with the other minor oversights in the process, makes trusting the validity of their conclusions very difficult for me.

I don't doubt that Windows 11 will perform worse than SteamOS, it's an absolute trashfire of an operating system, but as cathartic as it is to finally be able to rub this in the face of m$ stans, we should wait until we're certain we're right instead of leaping to a premature premature celebration that backfires embarrassingly on us (ala apple fans).

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

You just know there's no way bloated-ass windows (even with whatever less bloated version they ship to the manufacturer of these) is any better than steamOS for something as constrained as a handheld. Especially for games not relying on DirectX

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I strongly suspect you're correct, yes, I'd just like to be able to point to decent data when making that claim.

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