For most people facts and logic won't change their minds. Its stupid but the way to change someone's opinion is by appealing to their emotions. Facts and logic are what determines where they end up going but the thing that gets them moving is emotion.

I've found that it is better to not talk about AES with liberals until they are starting to move. They have the "unfalsifiable orthodoxy" mindset. Other than people in China nobody really cares if China's life expectancy is almost 3x what it was 100 years ago.

But if their favorite snack gets 50g lighter while the price stays the same? "Fucking billionaires ruin everything! They'll piss off their entire customer base just to squeeze a few pennies out of everyone so they can buy another yacht!"

Westerners can't emotionally relate to the good things happening in China because they have no frame of reference for a government that actually works for the people. Its just a fairy tale to them but they acutely feel the pressures of capitalism every day. If you can build a case that they aren't mad at their boss or traffic, they are mad at capitalism then they will start being open to looking for alternatives.

Once they are moving then you have to hit them with logic and facts or they can fall into the Social Fascist or reformist trap. That's when I start bagging on the so called "nordic model" and start talking anti-imperialism and anti-racism.