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Adventurism sets back this movement of ours. This is what a revolutionary spirit without theory to back it up does. ADL is already using this as casus belli to silence pro-Palestine voices. CIA and Mossad are popping champagne bottles as we speak. And all they lost were two ultimately expendable Zionist bureaucrats. This is a fucking disaster.
It would be if mass repression was not already in place from peaceful nonviolent protests.
Cause and effect are being swapped around.
You think there's no other place to go from here? Foreign uni students that have pro-Palestinian sentiments are easy targets for the fascist government. Wait until they start going after pro-Palestinian nationals on the grounds of being supportive of domestic terrorism. Why make it easy for them?
This already happened. The entire constitution has been put in the trash can before anyone got shot.
Wrong. You still have the first amendment. A privilege that the entire political spectrum of the US is a fan of. There is however an exemption to the first amendment. That is incitement. You are all making a case for the fascist government to portray pro-Palestinian sentiment as calls for violence.
Let me make it perfectly clear. The 2 that were smoked have a direct hand in the progress of the Zionist project. I have no love for them. But if you're going to crash out, please crash out responsibly.
From where has it been set back?
At the most immediate level, law enforcement presence will be increased in the DC area. Indirectly, this will further propagate the rhetoric of the Israeli state that antizionism is antisemitism. They're already trying to spin this guy as a raging antisemite.
so the solution is doing nothing instead? because they are already cracking down on (and ignoring) peaceful protests.
and while i don't believe in adventurism either: their violence is their fault, not ours.
Let me give you a hypothetical. Imagine that these murders happened just as they did. But now imagine that Palestine was not brought up. The guy just stayed silent. The 2 Zionists are dead all the same, but there is plausible deniability that this was not done in the name of Palestine. Like I'm saying, there is a more effective way to crash out, if you are going to crash out. Furthermore, you shouldn't be crashing out on an individual level! When will we have it sink in that there is no individual solution to systemic issues? Organize!
Learn from your enemy. Many Israeli officials still claim to this day is denying the genocide. It's not because they think you'll believe it. It's about plausible deniability.
still a net positive.
The death of 2 shitbags comes at the inconvenience of many more revolutionary voices. I predict it will not be. Because this was not a revolutionary act. This was adventurism.
not really. these revolutionary voices will be (and are) silenced anyway as soon as they represent any danger. the palestine thing is incidentally a great example.
adventurism won't save us, but it isnt hurting in this case. small net positive.
I respectfully disagree. So does Lenin if anyone cares: https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1902/sep/01.htm
I get it though. Reading theory can be hard.
violence is not the same as adventurism. its better organized, i agree, but not causing any problems we don't already have in this case and its bound to happen as people get frustrated.
Spin the definition however you want. I have made my point. Change comes from class struggle. Not individual spontaneous action.
i implied as much a few times throughout my comments. we are in agreement.
I'm glad.