▲ 120 ▼ Trump birthday parade skyrocketing up to $45m with 25 tanks added. It will pay tribute to the Army’s history from the Revolutionary War to present day & feature soldiers marching in period uniforms. (www.independent.co.uk) submitted 1 year ago by InevitableSwing@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net 97 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (52 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 52 child comments replies: [–] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 57 points 1 year ago sex sounds like a less genocidal activity than going to vietnam but idk who can really say permalink fedilink source parent [–] Florn@hexbear.net 53 points 1 year ago (29 children) In the context of deciding not to go overseas to murder people fighting a war of national liberation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 29 child comments replies: [+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (28 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 28 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 43 points 1 year ago* Who cares? The fact that he didn't go overseas to murder people is still good. Sure he could have died, which would also be good, but is that worth the death and destruction he would have caused? permalink fedilink source parent [–] WizardOfLoneliness@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago (16 children) the point is you, being a liberal, are supporting imperial bullshit by framing draft dodging as a bad thing, attacking Trump as a draft dodger reinforces "draft dodging bad" dummy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments load more comments (16 replies) [–] Florn@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago (9 children) Motivation doesn't matter if he made the right decision. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago (1 child) This is your brain on idealism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Abracadaniel@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) no kidding, here it is laid extremely bare. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sleve_McDichael@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago (1 child) If I steal a baby’s lollipop but I have goodwill in my heart then I’m actually doing a kind thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago That baby was an ORANGE CHEETO! Which makes it ok. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blakey@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Okay, and what motivation do you see for fighting in the Vietnam war do you think he had that is defensible and somehow better than dodging the draft? Even if this ridiculous, anti-materialist take were true it would STILL be aggressively fucking stupid. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fox@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago If you believe that abortion is murder, are you right to kill doctors that perform abortions? What about maiming them with intent to prevent them from working, or firebombing their clinics? You are, after all, motivated to stop murders. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Abracadaniel@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* thank you for gracing us with your wisdom oh learned one. I see now that intentions are the fundamental determiner of ethical action. truly deontology and consequentialism are philosophies of the damned! in all seriousness please read a book on moral philosophy. there's so much more! permalink fedilink source parent [–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago You are my absolute favorite lib, please come back again and teach us more! permalink fedilink source parent [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago (20 children) i don't really care why Trump dodged the draft, but it's better he did that than drop agent orange over Vietnam permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago No Vietnamese ever called me Cheeto! permalink fedilink source parent [+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (18 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago* (14 children) Rich failsons tended to be given safe and cushy posts, and even beyond that most American soldiers in Vietnam survived. Literally no one should join the US military ever. It is always a worse thing to do than not doing it is. Hypocrisy literally does not matter, GOP hogs do not have shame or moral beliefs, they do not have principles, they are literally just ravening demons wearing human skin who subsist on suffering and death and who do not perceive material reality or remember what they had for breakfast this morning. You're not owning them by accusing them of at one point doing the less bad thing when moral consistency would suggest they should have done the more evil thing which they advocate for, because they don't care, literally no one cares. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Muinteoir_Saoirse@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago (5 children) Maybe I'm built different but I would simply go to jail rather than participate in a genocide. If you think that potential consequences (a stint in jail) is worse than actively murdering people than you are simply selfish. Also, of the over half a million draft offenders, only 3000 were ever sent to jail for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] xj9@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* i mean its either war under an imperial flag or war under a gang's banner. what's the difference? At least in prison you aren't helping empire. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Muinteoir_Saoirse@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago Ah, so now it's about which option is more fun, not more moral? And in your opinion, the option to go murder a bunch of random people in Vietnam is the more fun, and therefor more correct option? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago Is this a prison SA reference? Fuck off with that shit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago (4 children) You make it sound like folks had a choice. Of course they had a choice. They could choose to become violent enforcers of the empire's will, or suffer state violence a thousand times milder than what they were being asked to commit. It's not like they were being black bagged and dragged to the front to be thrown into a meatgrinder without training or equipment, like Ukraine has been doing. They were told "go and murder for our vanity, for our dominion over all things, or sit in this box for a few years" and they chose to go do violence and bring horror and death to innocent people on the other side of the world instead of sitting in a cage for a few years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] spectre@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago They said it's 1000x milder than having your village genocided. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KnownUnknownKnower@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago Relative to being on the receiving end of Agent Orange or American helicopters permalink fedilink source parent [–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago That's what you took away. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago Draft dodging isn't as hard as you think it is. Just have kids, go to grad school, join the National Guard (you will be in the military, but you won't be deployed or really do anything), drink a bottle of soy sauce right before your medical, say you're gay, make some track marks or sh scars, get fat, join the clergy, work in the mines, work in a defense plant, or just listen to Phil Ochs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 1 year ago* if you choose to kill foreigners instead of taking 2 years in prison then you're either a piece of shit or a coward fuck the yankee wehrmacht permalink fedilink source parent [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (2 children) If we're talking about probabilities here, his McDonald's based diet probably should have killed him already but he seems to be still kicking somehow 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Florn@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago We have to go back in time to stop the Supersize Me movie permalink fedilink source parent [–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago His insides have been pickled by Big Mac sauce permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 57 points 1 year ago sex sounds like a less genocidal activity than going to vietnam but idk who can really say permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Florn@hexbear.net 53 points 1 year ago (29 children) In the context of deciding not to go overseas to murder people fighting a war of national liberation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 29 child comments replies: [+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (28 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 28 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 43 points 1 year ago* Who cares? The fact that he didn't go overseas to murder people is still good. Sure he could have died, which would also be good, but is that worth the death and destruction he would have caused? permalink fedilink source parent [–] WizardOfLoneliness@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago (16 children) the point is you, being a liberal, are supporting imperial bullshit by framing draft dodging as a bad thing, attacking Trump as a draft dodger reinforces "draft dodging bad" dummy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments load more comments (16 replies) [–] Florn@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago (9 children) Motivation doesn't matter if he made the right decision. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago (1 child) This is your brain on idealism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Abracadaniel@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) no kidding, here it is laid extremely bare. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sleve_McDichael@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago (1 child) If I steal a baby’s lollipop but I have goodwill in my heart then I’m actually doing a kind thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago That baby was an ORANGE CHEETO! Which makes it ok. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blakey@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Okay, and what motivation do you see for fighting in the Vietnam war do you think he had that is defensible and somehow better than dodging the draft? Even if this ridiculous, anti-materialist take were true it would STILL be aggressively fucking stupid. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fox@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago If you believe that abortion is murder, are you right to kill doctors that perform abortions? What about maiming them with intent to prevent them from working, or firebombing their clinics? You are, after all, motivated to stop murders. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Abracadaniel@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* thank you for gracing us with your wisdom oh learned one. I see now that intentions are the fundamental determiner of ethical action. truly deontology and consequentialism are philosophies of the damned! in all seriousness please read a book on moral philosophy. there's so much more! permalink fedilink source parent [–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago You are my absolute favorite lib, please come back again and teach us more! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (28 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 28 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 43 points 1 year ago* Who cares? The fact that he didn't go overseas to murder people is still good. Sure he could have died, which would also be good, but is that worth the death and destruction he would have caused? permalink fedilink source parent [–] WizardOfLoneliness@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago (16 children) the point is you, being a liberal, are supporting imperial bullshit by framing draft dodging as a bad thing, attacking Trump as a draft dodger reinforces "draft dodging bad" dummy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments load more comments (16 replies) [–] Florn@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago (9 children) Motivation doesn't matter if he made the right decision. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago (1 child) This is your brain on idealism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Abracadaniel@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) no kidding, here it is laid extremely bare. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sleve_McDichael@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago (1 child) If I steal a baby’s lollipop but I have goodwill in my heart then I’m actually doing a kind thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago That baby was an ORANGE CHEETO! Which makes it ok. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blakey@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Okay, and what motivation do you see for fighting in the Vietnam war do you think he had that is defensible and somehow better than dodging the draft? Even if this ridiculous, anti-materialist take were true it would STILL be aggressively fucking stupid. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fox@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago If you believe that abortion is murder, are you right to kill doctors that perform abortions? What about maiming them with intent to prevent them from working, or firebombing their clinics? You are, after all, motivated to stop murders. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Abracadaniel@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* thank you for gracing us with your wisdom oh learned one. I see now that intentions are the fundamental determiner of ethical action. truly deontology and consequentialism are philosophies of the damned! in all seriousness please read a book on moral philosophy. there's so much more! permalink fedilink source parent [–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago You are my absolute favorite lib, please come back again and teach us more! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 43 points 1 year ago* Who cares? The fact that he didn't go overseas to murder people is still good. Sure he could have died, which would also be good, but is that worth the death and destruction he would have caused? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WizardOfLoneliness@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago (16 children) the point is you, being a liberal, are supporting imperial bullshit by framing draft dodging as a bad thing, attacking Trump as a draft dodger reinforces "draft dodging bad" dummy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments load more comments (16 replies)
[–] Florn@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago (9 children) Motivation doesn't matter if he made the right decision. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago (1 child) This is your brain on idealism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Abracadaniel@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) no kidding, here it is laid extremely bare. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sleve_McDichael@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago (1 child) If I steal a baby’s lollipop but I have goodwill in my heart then I’m actually doing a kind thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago That baby was an ORANGE CHEETO! Which makes it ok. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blakey@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Okay, and what motivation do you see for fighting in the Vietnam war do you think he had that is defensible and somehow better than dodging the draft? Even if this ridiculous, anti-materialist take were true it would STILL be aggressively fucking stupid. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fox@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago If you believe that abortion is murder, are you right to kill doctors that perform abortions? What about maiming them with intent to prevent them from working, or firebombing their clinics? You are, after all, motivated to stop murders. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Abracadaniel@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* thank you for gracing us with your wisdom oh learned one. I see now that intentions are the fundamental determiner of ethical action. truly deontology and consequentialism are philosophies of the damned! in all seriousness please read a book on moral philosophy. there's so much more! permalink fedilink source parent [–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago You are my absolute favorite lib, please come back again and teach us more! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago (1 child) This is your brain on idealism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Abracadaniel@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) no kidding, here it is laid extremely bare. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sleve_McDichael@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago (1 child) If I steal a baby’s lollipop but I have goodwill in my heart then I’m actually doing a kind thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago That baby was an ORANGE CHEETO! Which makes it ok. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blakey@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Okay, and what motivation do you see for fighting in the Vietnam war do you think he had that is defensible and somehow better than dodging the draft? Even if this ridiculous, anti-materialist take were true it would STILL be aggressively fucking stupid. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fox@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago If you believe that abortion is murder, are you right to kill doctors that perform abortions? What about maiming them with intent to prevent them from working, or firebombing their clinics? You are, after all, motivated to stop murders. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Abracadaniel@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* thank you for gracing us with your wisdom oh learned one. I see now that intentions are the fundamental determiner of ethical action. truly deontology and consequentialism are philosophies of the damned! in all seriousness please read a book on moral philosophy. there's so much more! permalink fedilink source parent [–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago You are my absolute favorite lib, please come back again and teach us more! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago (1 child) This is your brain on idealism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Abracadaniel@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) no kidding, here it is laid extremely bare. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Abracadaniel@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) no kidding, here it is laid extremely bare. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sleve_McDichael@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago (1 child) If I steal a baby’s lollipop but I have goodwill in my heart then I’m actually doing a kind thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago That baby was an ORANGE CHEETO! Which makes it ok. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago That baby was an ORANGE CHEETO! Which makes it ok. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blakey@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Okay, and what motivation do you see for fighting in the Vietnam war do you think he had that is defensible and somehow better than dodging the draft? Even if this ridiculous, anti-materialist take were true it would STILL be aggressively fucking stupid. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fox@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago If you believe that abortion is murder, are you right to kill doctors that perform abortions? What about maiming them with intent to prevent them from working, or firebombing their clinics? You are, after all, motivated to stop murders. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Abracadaniel@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* thank you for gracing us with your wisdom oh learned one. I see now that intentions are the fundamental determiner of ethical action. truly deontology and consequentialism are philosophies of the damned! in all seriousness please read a book on moral philosophy. there's so much more! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago You are my absolute favorite lib, please come back again and teach us more! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago (20 children) i don't really care why Trump dodged the draft, but it's better he did that than drop agent orange over Vietnam permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago No Vietnamese ever called me Cheeto! permalink fedilink source parent [+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (18 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago* (14 children) Rich failsons tended to be given safe and cushy posts, and even beyond that most American soldiers in Vietnam survived. Literally no one should join the US military ever. It is always a worse thing to do than not doing it is. Hypocrisy literally does not matter, GOP hogs do not have shame or moral beliefs, they do not have principles, they are literally just ravening demons wearing human skin who subsist on suffering and death and who do not perceive material reality or remember what they had for breakfast this morning. You're not owning them by accusing them of at one point doing the less bad thing when moral consistency would suggest they should have done the more evil thing which they advocate for, because they don't care, literally no one cares. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Muinteoir_Saoirse@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago (5 children) Maybe I'm built different but I would simply go to jail rather than participate in a genocide. If you think that potential consequences (a stint in jail) is worse than actively murdering people than you are simply selfish. Also, of the over half a million draft offenders, only 3000 were ever sent to jail for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] xj9@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* i mean its either war under an imperial flag or war under a gang's banner. what's the difference? At least in prison you aren't helping empire. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Muinteoir_Saoirse@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago Ah, so now it's about which option is more fun, not more moral? And in your opinion, the option to go murder a bunch of random people in Vietnam is the more fun, and therefor more correct option? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago Is this a prison SA reference? Fuck off with that shit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago (4 children) You make it sound like folks had a choice. Of course they had a choice. They could choose to become violent enforcers of the empire's will, or suffer state violence a thousand times milder than what they were being asked to commit. It's not like they were being black bagged and dragged to the front to be thrown into a meatgrinder without training or equipment, like Ukraine has been doing. They were told "go and murder for our vanity, for our dominion over all things, or sit in this box for a few years" and they chose to go do violence and bring horror and death to innocent people on the other side of the world instead of sitting in a cage for a few years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] spectre@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago They said it's 1000x milder than having your village genocided. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KnownUnknownKnower@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago Relative to being on the receiving end of Agent Orange or American helicopters permalink fedilink source parent [–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago That's what you took away. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago Draft dodging isn't as hard as you think it is. Just have kids, go to grad school, join the National Guard (you will be in the military, but you won't be deployed or really do anything), drink a bottle of soy sauce right before your medical, say you're gay, make some track marks or sh scars, get fat, join the clergy, work in the mines, work in a defense plant, or just listen to Phil Ochs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 1 year ago* if you choose to kill foreigners instead of taking 2 years in prison then you're either a piece of shit or a coward fuck the yankee wehrmacht permalink fedilink source parent [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (2 children) If we're talking about probabilities here, his McDonald's based diet probably should have killed him already but he seems to be still kicking somehow 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Florn@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago We have to go back in time to stop the Supersize Me movie permalink fedilink source parent [–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago His insides have been pickled by Big Mac sauce permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago No Vietnamese ever called me Cheeto! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (18 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago* (14 children) Rich failsons tended to be given safe and cushy posts, and even beyond that most American soldiers in Vietnam survived. Literally no one should join the US military ever. It is always a worse thing to do than not doing it is. Hypocrisy literally does not matter, GOP hogs do not have shame or moral beliefs, they do not have principles, they are literally just ravening demons wearing human skin who subsist on suffering and death and who do not perceive material reality or remember what they had for breakfast this morning. You're not owning them by accusing them of at one point doing the less bad thing when moral consistency would suggest they should have done the more evil thing which they advocate for, because they don't care, literally no one cares. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Muinteoir_Saoirse@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago (5 children) Maybe I'm built different but I would simply go to jail rather than participate in a genocide. If you think that potential consequences (a stint in jail) is worse than actively murdering people than you are simply selfish. Also, of the over half a million draft offenders, only 3000 were ever sent to jail for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] xj9@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* i mean its either war under an imperial flag or war under a gang's banner. what's the difference? At least in prison you aren't helping empire. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Muinteoir_Saoirse@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago Ah, so now it's about which option is more fun, not more moral? And in your opinion, the option to go murder a bunch of random people in Vietnam is the more fun, and therefor more correct option? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago Is this a prison SA reference? Fuck off with that shit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago (4 children) You make it sound like folks had a choice. Of course they had a choice. They could choose to become violent enforcers of the empire's will, or suffer state violence a thousand times milder than what they were being asked to commit. It's not like they were being black bagged and dragged to the front to be thrown into a meatgrinder without training or equipment, like Ukraine has been doing. They were told "go and murder for our vanity, for our dominion over all things, or sit in this box for a few years" and they chose to go do violence and bring horror and death to innocent people on the other side of the world instead of sitting in a cage for a few years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] spectre@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago They said it's 1000x milder than having your village genocided. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KnownUnknownKnower@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago Relative to being on the receiving end of Agent Orange or American helicopters permalink fedilink source parent [–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago That's what you took away. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago Draft dodging isn't as hard as you think it is. Just have kids, go to grad school, join the National Guard (you will be in the military, but you won't be deployed or really do anything), drink a bottle of soy sauce right before your medical, say you're gay, make some track marks or sh scars, get fat, join the clergy, work in the mines, work in a defense plant, or just listen to Phil Ochs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 1 year ago* if you choose to kill foreigners instead of taking 2 years in prison then you're either a piece of shit or a coward fuck the yankee wehrmacht permalink fedilink source parent [–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (2 children) If we're talking about probabilities here, his McDonald's based diet probably should have killed him already but he seems to be still kicking somehow 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Florn@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago We have to go back in time to stop the Supersize Me movie permalink fedilink source parent [–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago His insides have been pickled by Big Mac sauce permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago* (14 children) Rich failsons tended to be given safe and cushy posts, and even beyond that most American soldiers in Vietnam survived. Literally no one should join the US military ever. It is always a worse thing to do than not doing it is. Hypocrisy literally does not matter, GOP hogs do not have shame or moral beliefs, they do not have principles, they are literally just ravening demons wearing human skin who subsist on suffering and death and who do not perceive material reality or remember what they had for breakfast this morning. You're not owning them by accusing them of at one point doing the less bad thing when moral consistency would suggest they should have done the more evil thing which they advocate for, because they don't care, literally no one cares. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Muinteoir_Saoirse@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago (5 children) Maybe I'm built different but I would simply go to jail rather than participate in a genocide. If you think that potential consequences (a stint in jail) is worse than actively murdering people than you are simply selfish. Also, of the over half a million draft offenders, only 3000 were ever sent to jail for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] xj9@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* i mean its either war under an imperial flag or war under a gang's banner. what's the difference? At least in prison you aren't helping empire. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Muinteoir_Saoirse@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago Ah, so now it's about which option is more fun, not more moral? And in your opinion, the option to go murder a bunch of random people in Vietnam is the more fun, and therefor more correct option? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago Is this a prison SA reference? Fuck off with that shit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago (4 children) You make it sound like folks had a choice. Of course they had a choice. They could choose to become violent enforcers of the empire's will, or suffer state violence a thousand times milder than what they were being asked to commit. It's not like they were being black bagged and dragged to the front to be thrown into a meatgrinder without training or equipment, like Ukraine has been doing. They were told "go and murder for our vanity, for our dominion over all things, or sit in this box for a few years" and they chose to go do violence and bring horror and death to innocent people on the other side of the world instead of sitting in a cage for a few years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] spectre@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago They said it's 1000x milder than having your village genocided. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KnownUnknownKnower@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago Relative to being on the receiving end of Agent Orange or American helicopters permalink fedilink source parent [–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago That's what you took away. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago Draft dodging isn't as hard as you think it is. Just have kids, go to grad school, join the National Guard (you will be in the military, but you won't be deployed or really do anything), drink a bottle of soy sauce right before your medical, say you're gay, make some track marks or sh scars, get fat, join the clergy, work in the mines, work in a defense plant, or just listen to Phil Ochs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 1 year ago* if you choose to kill foreigners instead of taking 2 years in prison then you're either a piece of shit or a coward fuck the yankee wehrmacht permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Muinteoir_Saoirse@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago (5 children) Maybe I'm built different but I would simply go to jail rather than participate in a genocide. If you think that potential consequences (a stint in jail) is worse than actively murdering people than you are simply selfish. Also, of the over half a million draft offenders, only 3000 were ever sent to jail for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] xj9@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* i mean its either war under an imperial flag or war under a gang's banner. what's the difference? At least in prison you aren't helping empire. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Muinteoir_Saoirse@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago Ah, so now it's about which option is more fun, not more moral? And in your opinion, the option to go murder a bunch of random people in Vietnam is the more fun, and therefor more correct option? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago Is this a prison SA reference? Fuck off with that shit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago (4 children) You make it sound like folks had a choice. Of course they had a choice. They could choose to become violent enforcers of the empire's will, or suffer state violence a thousand times milder than what they were being asked to commit. It's not like they were being black bagged and dragged to the front to be thrown into a meatgrinder without training or equipment, like Ukraine has been doing. They were told "go and murder for our vanity, for our dominion over all things, or sit in this box for a few years" and they chose to go do violence and bring horror and death to innocent people on the other side of the world instead of sitting in a cage for a few years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] spectre@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago They said it's 1000x milder than having your village genocided. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KnownUnknownKnower@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago Relative to being on the receiving end of Agent Orange or American helicopters permalink fedilink source parent [–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago That's what you took away. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago Draft dodging isn't as hard as you think it is. Just have kids, go to grad school, join the National Guard (you will be in the military, but you won't be deployed or really do anything), drink a bottle of soy sauce right before your medical, say you're gay, make some track marks or sh scars, get fat, join the clergy, work in the mines, work in a defense plant, or just listen to Phil Ochs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 1 year ago* if you choose to kill foreigners instead of taking 2 years in prison then you're either a piece of shit or a coward fuck the yankee wehrmacht permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Muinteoir_Saoirse@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago (5 children) Maybe I'm built different but I would simply go to jail rather than participate in a genocide. If you think that potential consequences (a stint in jail) is worse than actively murdering people than you are simply selfish. Also, of the over half a million draft offenders, only 3000 were ever sent to jail for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] xj9@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* i mean its either war under an imperial flag or war under a gang's banner. what's the difference? At least in prison you aren't helping empire. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Muinteoir_Saoirse@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago Ah, so now it's about which option is more fun, not more moral? And in your opinion, the option to go murder a bunch of random people in Vietnam is the more fun, and therefor more correct option? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago Is this a prison SA reference? Fuck off with that shit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] xj9@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* i mean its either war under an imperial flag or war under a gang's banner. what's the difference? At least in prison you aren't helping empire. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Muinteoir_Saoirse@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago Ah, so now it's about which option is more fun, not more moral? And in your opinion, the option to go murder a bunch of random people in Vietnam is the more fun, and therefor more correct option? permalink fedilink source parent [–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago Is this a prison SA reference? Fuck off with that shit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] xj9@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* i mean its either war under an imperial flag or war under a gang's banner. what's the difference? At least in prison you aren't helping empire. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Muinteoir_Saoirse@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago Ah, so now it's about which option is more fun, not more moral? And in your opinion, the option to go murder a bunch of random people in Vietnam is the more fun, and therefor more correct option? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago Is this a prison SA reference? Fuck off with that shit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago (4 children) You make it sound like folks had a choice. Of course they had a choice. They could choose to become violent enforcers of the empire's will, or suffer state violence a thousand times milder than what they were being asked to commit. It's not like they were being black bagged and dragged to the front to be thrown into a meatgrinder without training or equipment, like Ukraine has been doing. They were told "go and murder for our vanity, for our dominion over all things, or sit in this box for a few years" and they chose to go do violence and bring horror and death to innocent people on the other side of the world instead of sitting in a cage for a few years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] spectre@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago They said it's 1000x milder than having your village genocided. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KnownUnknownKnower@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago Relative to being on the receiving end of Agent Orange or American helicopters permalink fedilink source parent [–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago That's what you took away. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] spectre@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago They said it's 1000x milder than having your village genocided. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KnownUnknownKnower@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago Relative to being on the receiving end of Agent Orange or American helicopters permalink fedilink source parent [–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago That's what you took away. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] spectre@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago They said it's 1000x milder than having your village genocided. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KnownUnknownKnower@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago Relative to being on the receiving end of Agent Orange or American helicopters permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago That's what you took away. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago Draft dodging isn't as hard as you think it is. Just have kids, go to grad school, join the National Guard (you will be in the military, but you won't be deployed or really do anything), drink a bottle of soy sauce right before your medical, say you're gay, make some track marks or sh scars, get fat, join the clergy, work in the mines, work in a defense plant, or just listen to Phil Ochs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 1 year ago* if you choose to kill foreigners instead of taking 2 years in prison then you're either a piece of shit or a coward fuck the yankee wehrmacht permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (2 children) If we're talking about probabilities here, his McDonald's based diet probably should have killed him already but he seems to be still kicking somehow 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Florn@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago We have to go back in time to stop the Supersize Me movie permalink fedilink source parent [–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago His insides have been pickled by Big Mac sauce permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Florn@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago We have to go back in time to stop the Supersize Me movie permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago His insides have been pickled by Big Mac sauce permalink fedilink source parent