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[+] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (52 children)
  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago (29 children)

    In the context of deciding not to go overseas to murder people fighting a war of national liberation.

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  • [+] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (28 children)
  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago*

    Who cares? The fact that he didn't go overseas to murder people is still good.

    Sure he could have died, which would also be good, but is that worth the death and destruction he would have caused?

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Motivation doesn't matter if he made the right decision.

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  • [+] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)
  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Okay, and what motivation do you see for fighting in the Vietnam war do you think he had that is defensible and somehow better than dodging the draft? Even if this ridiculous, anti-materialist take were true it would STILL be aggressively fucking stupid.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    If you believe that abortion is murder, are you right to kill doctors that perform abortions? What about maiming them with intent to prevent them from working, or firebombing their clinics? You are, after all, motivated to stop murders.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago*

    thank you for gracing us with your wisdom oh learned one. I see now that intentions are the fundamental determiner of ethical action. truly deontology and consequentialism are philosophies of the damned!

    in all seriousness please read a book on moral philosophy. there's so much more!

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    i don't really care why Trump dodged the draft, but it's better he did that than drop agent orange over Vietnam

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  • [+] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (18 children)
  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago* (14 children)

    Rich failsons tended to be given safe and cushy posts, and even beyond that most American soldiers in Vietnam survived. Literally no one should join the US military ever. It is always a worse thing to do than not doing it is.

    Hypocrisy literally does not matter, GOP hogs do not have shame or moral beliefs, they do not have principles, they are literally just ravening demons wearing human skin who subsist on suffering and death and who do not perceive material reality or remember what they had for breakfast this morning. You're not owning them by accusing them of at one point doing the less bad thing when moral consistency would suggest they should have done the more evil thing which they advocate for, because they don't care, literally no one cares.

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  • [+] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)
  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Maybe I'm built different but I would simply go to jail rather than participate in a genocide.

    If you think that potential consequences (a stint in jail) is worse than actively murdering people than you are simply selfish.

    Also, of the over half a million draft offenders, only 3000 were ever sent to jail for it.

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  • [+] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You make it sound like folks had a choice.

    Of course they had a choice. They could choose to become violent enforcers of the empire's will, or suffer state violence a thousand times milder than what they were being asked to commit. It's not like they were being black bagged and dragged to the front to be thrown into a meatgrinder without training or equipment, like Ukraine has been doing. They were told "go and murder for our vanity, for our dominion over all things, or sit in this box for a few years" and they chose to go do violence and bring horror and death to innocent people on the other side of the world instead of sitting in a cage for a few years.

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  • [+] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
  • Draft dodging isn't as hard as you think it is. Just have kids, go to grad school, join the National Guard (you will be in the military, but you won't be deployed or really do anything), drink a bottle of soy sauce right before your medical, say you're gay, make some track marks or sh scars, get fat, join the clergy, work in the mines, work in a defense plant, or just listen to Phil Ochs.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If we're talking about probabilities here, his McDonald's based diet probably should have killed him already but he seems to be still kicking somehow 🙄

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