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[–] 83 points 1 year ago (53 children)

Please stop framing draft-dodging as a bad thing, especially in the context of the Vietnam War.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    i don't really care why Trump dodged the draft, but it's better he did that than drop agent orange over Vietnam

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago* (14 children)

    Rich failsons tended to be given safe and cushy posts, and even beyond that most American soldiers in Vietnam survived. Literally no one should join the US military ever. It is always a worse thing to do than not doing it is.

    Hypocrisy literally does not matter, GOP hogs do not have shame or moral beliefs, they do not have principles, they are literally just ravening demons wearing human skin who subsist on suffering and death and who do not perceive material reality or remember what they had for breakfast this morning. You're not owning them by accusing them of at one point doing the less bad thing when moral consistency would suggest they should have done the more evil thing which they advocate for, because they don't care, literally no one cares.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Maybe I'm built different but I would simply go to jail rather than participate in a genocide.

    If you think that potential consequences (a stint in jail) is worse than actively murdering people than you are simply selfish.

    Also, of the over half a million draft offenders, only 3000 were ever sent to jail for it.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You make it sound like folks had a choice.

    Of course they had a choice. They could choose to become violent enforcers of the empire's will, or suffer state violence a thousand times milder than what they were being asked to commit. It's not like they were being black bagged and dragged to the front to be thrown into a meatgrinder without training or equipment, like Ukraine has been doing. They were told "go and murder for our vanity, for our dominion over all things, or sit in this box for a few years" and they chose to go do violence and bring horror and death to innocent people on the other side of the world instead of sitting in a cage for a few years.

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  • [+] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
  • Draft dodging isn't as hard as you think it is. Just have kids, go to grad school, join the National Guard (you will be in the military, but you won't be deployed or really do anything), drink a bottle of soy sauce right before your medical, say you're gay, make some track marks or sh scars, get fat, join the clergy, work in the mines, work in a defense plant, or just listen to Phil Ochs.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If we're talking about probabilities here, his McDonald's based diet probably should have killed him already but he seems to be still kicking somehow 🙄

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