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Zelensky agrees to Putin-proposed meeting in Turkey after Trump demands they talk
(www.independent.co.uk)
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God, reading that was painful. They really do try to spin the narrative in the most obnoxious ways. I'm not holding my breath a peace deal will be made based on how Ukraine and its backers are talking. Feels like more posturing by the West to try and paint Russia as unreasonable for not surrendering unconditionally while winning.
I think whether a deal is made or not will ultimately depend on the US. If Trump pulls weapons from Ukraine then the war is over, so he has a huge amount of leverage over them. Whether the US will eventually agree to Russian terms is the real question here.
The funny part with the whole thing here is that Europeans made an ultimatum to Russia to agree to an unconditional ceasefire. Then Putin came out with a statement that a ceasefire can only come as a result of negotiations, and then suggested a concrete date and place to hold negotiations. He masterfully outplayed them diplomatically here.
True. I don't have any confidence in Trump's administration as peacemaker, though.
It's all a question of how the US wants to pull out of the war. The decision they have to make is whether they value the relationship with Russia or Europe more. Forcing Ukraine to take the deal would burn bridges with Europe, but it would open opportunities to restart economic relations with Russia. Given that European economy is crashing, and that the US now sees China as the main threat, it's entirely possible they make a cynical decision to prioritize securing resource deals with Russia over Europe.
That makes sense.
he masterfully outplayed my patience. I was promised Oreshniks but waited 2 hours to see him ramble about his holiday plans to Turkey.
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