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I feel optimistic regarding China and Russia in their conflicts against the US, but I'm very concerned and a bit doomer towards Palestine :( (hexbear.net)
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Time is on the side of the Russians in Ukraine and the Chinese on pretty much anything else when it comes to confronting the US empire.

But ever since the ceasefire in Lebanon and the fall of Assad I can't help but feel that the Palestinian cause is getting worse every day. No one is lifting a finger for them except the Yemenis and it only seems that the Zionist fucks are getting closer to their objectives.

Civil war in "Israel" when? True Promise 3 when (lol)?

It doesn't help that some of the loudest voices cheering for Assad's fall where Palestinians and that sectarism is strong against Shia's...

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[–] 10 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Exactly! A country should belong to the people who live in in and not to neighboring empires who call dibs on someone else’s home.

Then you should be supporting the people of Donbas in their anti-imperialist struggle against the neo-nazi Ukrainian regime that had been trying to ethnically cleanse them and seize control of all their resources to sell off to western private interests. Just as you should be cheering on the Russians who came to their aid and prevented them from being wiped out by said nazis. But instead you've confused anti-imperialists for imperialists and mixed up the nazis with the victims because you have swallowed the western narrative.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (4 children)

    If everything you said was factually true, then you're right I should be.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Well then you should educate yourself as to what is factually true because everything I said was just that. You seem aware enough that you should know that one can not trust western sources if they want to have any idea what is really going on. Yet your responses here seem to indicate that that's exactly what you've done: trusted the propaganda put out by the imperialist world hegemon.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    You seem aware enough that you should know that one can not trust western sources if they want to have any idea what is really going on.

    I will remember to search for news on "the neo-nazi Ukrainian regime" in the future for unbiased information lmao.

    Yet your responses here seem to indicate that that's exactly what you've done: trusted the propaganda put out by the imperialist world hegemon.

    Then what do your responses indicate?

    I will fully admit it is possible I've been exposed to too much western propaganda, but you're clearly not the one to talk here when it comes to depropaganzing ourselves.

    Russia has propaganda too.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Unless you live in Russia, it's basically impossible for someone's views to be determined just by Russian propaganda. We are submerged in Western liberal hegemony. Any kind of worldview we develop is going to be related to that liberal hegemony and the narratives it presents. At worst, we might overreact to the propaganda by deliberately swallowing the Russian narrative, but I think that it's also not true that we are uncritically following the Russian narrative (even when it's a lot closer to the reality I've surmised than the Western liberal narrative) where Russia is the beacon of traditional Western value against the woke, perverted West. That's also trash. We prefer to stick to analyzing material reality and the facts on the ground, not vibes.

    Also, in my own comments I think I've done a good job of showing that there has been, indeed, a fascist coup of Ukraine in 2014, that was ethnically cleansing Russian speaking minorities and threatens all the same minorities that nazis always threaten. I showed you that while primarily citing liberal Western media like CNN, NBC, and the BBC. If those sources are too pro-Russian, then what sources can we use to get a level-headed assessment of the situation?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    At worst, we might overreact to the propaganda by deliberately swallowing the Russian narrative, but I think that it's also not true that we are uncritically following the Russian narrative

    Perfect. Yes and I will take the opposite for myself. At worst I might swallow the mainstream western narrative but its not true that I think uncritically and I fact I actively seek out alternative information just like in this conversation.

    Also, in my own comments I think I've done a good job of showing that there has been, indeed, a fascist coup of Ukraine in 2014, that was ethnically cleansing Russian speaking minorities and threatens all the same minorities that nazis always threaten.

    When we went through it, the people you had claimed were being ethnically cleansed from what I saw turned out to be armed Russian proxies who had been fighting in Donetsk for 2 years (2014) before Ukraine bombed them (article from 2016).

    You've provided evidence there was collateral damage when Ukraine was fighting a separation/civil war instigated by the Russian invasion in 2014. Not that minorities were targeted or that ethnic cleansing took place.

    You didn't provide evidence there was a fascist coup, in fact the opposite? You suggested there was an American backed coup to install American friendly people in power (Victoria Nyland)?

    And btw, everyone padding adjectives into everything is driving me nuts.

    Sometimes the discussion breaks down to "The neo nazi Ukrainian regime pulled a fascist coup and you're too propagandized to see it"

    Can't you just say "the Ukrainian government pulled a coup"?

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