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Germany's domestic intelligence agency last week classified the largest opposition party, the AfD, as "confirmed right-wing extremist." This has intensified debates over whether or not to ban the party.

On Friday, the Alternative for Germany (AfD) was classified as "confirmed right-wing extremist" by Germany's domestic intelligence agency, the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (BfV).

Now, there has been a first fallout: two AfD politicians and parliamentarians are not allowed to accompany Hesse's Minister for European affairs, Manfred Pentz, on a trip to Serbia and Croatia. Pentz explained that he could not expect international partners "to sit down at the same table with representatives of a party that has been confirmed as right-wing extremist."

Further measures also threaten the radical right-wing party: several federal states want to examine whether being a civil servant, including judges, police officers, teachers, or soldiers, is still compatible with being a member of the AfD.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 days ago (6 children)

2025: AfD is banned

2026: New party is forned, Germans for an Alternative, or Deutsch für eine Alternative (DfA)

🙃

(You know what this means: The only good nazi is a dead one)

[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Any follow up organization is also banned. So if a new organization forms it will be much easier to see if they are a follow up organization and dissolve it right away.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You can't just "dissolve" fascism though. Until the underlying problem is fixed it'll keep resurfacing.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago

Yes and until then we will ban them so they don't ger funding from the state they want to destroy.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'd love to see a conversation of smart people discussing how we solve the underlying problems of fascism

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Solve anxiety. The hatred, the desire to put down others, all that is caused by anxiety short-circuiting people's minds, acting on, put very hand-wavily, reptilian instead of higher mammalian instincts, including social ones^1^. Without underlying anxieties fascism has nothing to latch onto, and nothing to make even worse so it can propagate and perpetuate itself.

Key anxieties to address nowadays, and feel free to add your own, are economical security, "will I be poor in the future", as well as social alienation, "can people be trusted". Both require overcoming neoliberalism. Also, yes, solve anxieties regarding the future of the planet but that's more about saving the planet so we may continue to live on it than anti-fascism for the simple reason that eco-fascism is overall negligible as a political force.

How? First of all, stop acting from anxiety.


^1^ Is that where the "lizard people" thing comes from?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

I never thought that I'd be impressed by soap

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Propaganda feeds the anxiety. We have to understand that propaganda is not free speech, and shut it down.

The other big source of anxiety is the capitalist tendency to drive working people into a situation of precariousness so that they remain compliant. Mitigating that requires a social safety net similar to that provided in northern-tier social democracies.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

If they are banned they cant form a party or join another party again, this is by law

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Does Germany allow write in candidates?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In the US candidates do not technically need to be affiliated with any party nor even necessarily register with the government beforehand (it is almost Impossible to win without it for anything major), however for everything short of the president (electoral college makes weird) there is a blank spot where you can write a name and vote for that person. It appears to mostly be an American thing that has led to vermin supreme and other jokes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Ah indipendent. Yes those exist. Most likely on local level than federal or state level. But there was one, Robert Farle, (he is a really weird person) that got voted in directly threw the AfD, and then last legislature as an indipendent. We also have special clauses for partys of a minority group. The Süd-Schlesische-Wählerverband (South sleswig minority), SSW, have been represented with 1 seat for years.

In germany you dont have one vote and done. You have two votes. One for the party, and one for a local representitive

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

It still sucks up a lot of their money and disables funding through taxes for a time

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago

That's what fascism is about. Do not tolerate them, do not reason with them. Ban them and (if necessary) kill them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Exactly this happened with the extreme right in Flanders (Belgium). They were convicted for racism and promptly refounded themselves under a new name.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Still being kept out of government roles, still being dangerously big. Last municipal election they got an absolute majority in one town and got included in one or two coalitions. Last Flemish elections, they were tied as the biggest party with about 25%. While the other big party is also right wing Flemish nationalist btw

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The problem I see is people accepting to form coalitions with them. That is centrist (read: milder fascist) behavior.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago

Yeah, it was a little shocking to see this happen now. Though to be fair, it only happened with local parties that did not belong to a national umbrella party. All the parties that matter at the provincial level and above still maintain the principle of not working with them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ineffectual regulation doesn't work. There needs to be more resolve.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago

Apparently, they have been able to not be blatantly racist enough in their new incarnation. Perhaps they should have gone more after the core leadership instead of only the party.