cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/4742235
Democratization of Capitalist Values
Democratization is a word often used with technological advancement and the proliferation of open-source software. Even here, the platform under which this discussion is unfolding, we are participating in a form of "democratization" of the means of "communication". This process of "democratization" is often one framed as a kind of universal or near universal access for the masses to engage in building and protecting their own means of communication. I've talked at length in the past about the nature of the federated, decentralized, communications movement. One of the striking aspects of this movement is how much of the shape and structure this democratization of communication shares with the undemocratic and corporate owned means of communication. Despite being presented with the underlying protocols necessary to create a communication experience that fosters true community, the choice is made instead to take the shape and structure of centralized, corporate owned speech and community platforms and "democratize" them, without considering the social relations engendered by the platforms.
As Marxists, this phenomenon isn't something that should seem strange to us, and we should be able to identify this phenomenon in other instances of "democratization". This phenomenon is what sits at the heart of Marxist analysis, and it is the relationship between the Mode of Production and the Super Structure of society. These "democratized" platforms mirror their centralized sisters, and are imbued with the very same capitalist values, in an environment that stands in conflict with those very same values. If this means of democratization of online community and communication was to be truly democratic, it would be a system that requires the least amount of technical knowledge and resources. However, those operators that sit at the top of each of these hosted systems exist higher on the class divide because they must operate a system designed to work at scale, with a network effect at the heart of its design. This is how you end up with the contradictions that lay under each of these systems. Mastodon.org is the most used instance, and its operators have a vested interest in maintaining that position, as it allows them and their organization to maintain control over the underlying structure of Mastodon. Matrix.org is the most used instance for its system for extremely similar reasons. Bluesky has structured itself in such a way that sits it on the central throne of its implementation. They have all obfuscated the centralization of power by covering their thrown with the cloak of "democratization". Have these systems allowed the fostering of communities that otherwise drown in the sea of capitalist online social organizing? There is no doubt. Do they require significant organizational effort and resources to maintain? Absolutely. Are they still subject to a central, technocratic authority, driven by the same motivations as their sister systems? Yes, they are.
This brings me to AI, and it's current implementation and design, and it's underlying motivations and desires. These systems suffer from the same issues that this very platform suffer from, which is, that they are stained with the values of capital at their heart, and they are in no means a technology that is "neutral" in its design or its implementation. It is foolish to say that "Marxists have never opposed technological progress in principle", in that this statement also handwaves away the critical view of technology in the Marxist tradition. Marx spends more than 150 pages---A tome in its own right---on the subject of technology and technological advancement under Capitalism in Volume 1 of Capital. Wherein he outlines how the worker becomes subjugated to the machine, and I find that this quote from Marx drives home my position, and I think the position of others regarding the use of AI in its current formation (emphasis mine).
The lightening of the labour, even, becomes a sort of torture, since the machine does not free the labourer from work, but deprives the work of all interest. Every kind of capitalist production, in so far as it is not only a labour-process, but also a process of creating surplus-value, has this in common, that it is not the workman that employs the instruments of labour, but the instruments of labour that employ the workman.
Capital Volume 1, Production of Relative Surplus Value\Machinery and Modern Industry\Section 4: The Factory
What is it, at the core of both textual and graphical AI generation, that is being democratized? What has the capitalist sought to automate in its pursuit of Large Language Model research and development? It is the democratization of skill. It is the alienation of the Artist from the labor of producing art. As such, it does not matter that this technology has become "democratized" via open-source channels because at the heart of the technology, it's intention and design, it's implementation and commodification, lay the alienation of the artist from the process of creating art. It is not the "democratization" of "creativity". There are scores of artists throughout our history whose art is regarded as creative despite its simplicity in both execution and level of required skill.
One such artist who comes to mind is Jackson Pollock, an artist who is synonymous with paint splattering and a major contributor to the abstract expressionist movement. His aesthetic has been described as a "joke" and void of "political, aesthetic, and moral" value, used as a means of denigrating the practice of producing art. Yet, it is like you describe in your own words, "Creativity is not an inherent quality of tools — it is the product of human intention". One of the obvious things that these generative models exhibit is a clear and distinct lack of intention. I believe that this lack of "human intention" is explicitly what drives people's repulsion from the end product of generative art. It also becomes "a sort of torture" under which the artist becomes employed by the machine. There are endless sources of artists whose roles as creators have been reduced to that of Generative Blemish Control Agents, cleaning up the odd, strange, and unintentioned aspects of the AI process.
Capitalist Mimicry and The Man In The Mirror
One thing often sighted as a mark in favor of AI is the emergence of Deepseek onto the market as a direct competitor to leading US-based AI Models. Its emergence was a massive and disruptive debut, slicing nearly $2-trillion in market cap off the US Tech Sector in a mater of days. This explosive out of the gate performance was not the result of any new ideologically driven reorientation in the nature and goal of generative AI modeling philosophy, but instead of the refinement of the training processes to meet the restrictive conditions created by embargos on western AI processing technology in China.
Deepseek has been hailed as what can be achieved under the "Socialist Model" of production, but I'm more willing to argue that this isn't as true as we wish to believe. China is a vibrant and powerful market economy, one that is governed and controlled by a technocratic party who have a profound understanding of market forces. However, their market economy is not anymore or less susceptible to the whims of capital desires than any other market. One prime example recently was the speculative nature of their housing market, which the state is resolving through a slow deflation of the sector and seizure of assets, among other measures. I think it is safe to argue that much of the demands of the Chinese market economy are forged by the demands of external Capitalist desires. As the worlds forge, the heart of production in the global economy, their market must meet the demands of external capitalist forces. It should be remembered here, that the market economy of China operates within a cage, with no political influence on the state, but that does not make it immune to the demands and desires of Capitalists at the helm of states abroad.
Yes. Deepseek is a tool set released in an open-source way. Yes, Deepseek is a tool set that one can use at a much cheaper rate than competitors in the market, or roll your own hosting infrastructure for. However, what is the tool set exactly, what are its goals, who does it benefit, and who does it work against? The incredible innovation under the "Socialist model" still performs the same desired processes of alienation that capitalists in the west are searching for, just at a far cheaper cost. This demand is one of geopolitical economy, where using free trade principles, Deepseek intends to drive demand away from US-based solutions and into its coffers in China. The competition created by Deepseek has ignited several protectionist practices by the US to save its most important driver of growth in its economy, the tech sector. The new-found efficiency of Deepseek threatens not just the AI sector inside of tech, but the growing connective tissue sprung up around the sector. With the bloated and wasteful implementation of Open AI's models, it gave rise to growing demand for power generation, data centers, and cooling solutions, all of which lost large when Deepseek arrived. So at its heart, it has not changed what AI does for people, only how expensive AI is for capitalists in year-to-year operations. What good is this open-source tool if what is being open sourced are the same demands and desires of the capitalist class?
Reflected in the production of Deepseek is the American Capitalist, they stand as the man in the mirror, and the market economy of China as doing what a market economy does: Compete for territory in hopes of driving out competition, to become a monopoly agent within the space. This monopolization process can still be something in which you distribute through an open-source means. Just as in my example above, of the social media platforms democratizing the social relations of capitalist communal spaces, so too is Deepseek democratizing the alienation of artists and writers from their labor.
They are not democratizing the process of Artists and Laborers training their own models to perform specific and desired repetitive tasks as part of their own labor process in any form. They hold all the keys because even though they were able to slice the head from the generative snake that is the US AI Market, it still cost them several million dollars to do so, and their clear goal is to replace that snake.
A Renaissance Man Made of Metal
Much in the same way that the peasants of the past lost access to the commons and were forced into the factories under this new, capitalist organization of the economy, the artist has been undergoing a similar process. However, instead of toiling away on their plots of land in common, giving up a tenth of their yield each year to their lord, and providing a sum of their hourly labor to work the fields at the manor, the Artist historically worked at the behest of a Patron. The high watermark for this organization of labor was the Renaissance period. Here, names we all know and recognize, such as da Vinci, Michelangelo, Raphael, and Botticelli were paid by their Patron Lords or at times the popes of Rome to hone their craft and in exchange paint great works for their benefactors.
As time passed, and the world industrialized, the system of Patronage faded and gave way to the Art Market, where artists could sell their creative output directly to galleries and individuals. With the rise of visual entertainment, and our modern entertainment industry, most artists' primary income stems from the wage labor they provide to the corporation to which they are employed. They require significant training, years and decades of practice and development. The reproduction of their labor has always been a hard nut to crack, until very recently. Some advancements in mediums shifted the demand for different disciplines, 2D animators found themselves washed on the shores of the 3D landscape, wages and benefits depleted, back on the bottom rung learning a new craft after decades of momentum via unionization in the 2D space. The transition from 2D to 3D in animation is a good case study in the process of proletarianization, very akin to the drive to teach students to code decades later in a push for the STEM sector. Now, both of these sectors of laborers are under threat from the Metal Renaissance Man, who operates under the patronage of his corporate rulers, producing works at their whim, and at the whim of others, for a profit. This Mechanical Michelangelo has the potential to become the primary source of artistic and---in the case of code---logical expression, and the artists and coders who trained him become his subordinates. Cleaning up the mistakes, and hiding the rogue sixth finger and toe as needed.
Long gone are the days of Patronage, and soon too long gone will be the days of laboring for a wage to produce art. We have to, as revolutionary Marxists, recognize that this contradiction is one that presents to artists, as laborers, the end of their practice, not the beginning or enhancement of that practice. It is this mimicry that the current technological solutions participate in that strikes at the heart of the artists' issue. Hired for their talent, then, used to train the machine with which they will be replaced, or reduced. Thus limiting the economic viability of the craft for a large portion of the artistic population. The only other avenue for sustainability is the Art Market, which has long been a trade backed by the laundering of dark money and the sound of a roulette wheel. A place where "meritocracy" rules with an iron fist. It is not enough for us to look at the mechanical productive force that generative AI represents, and brush it aside as simply the wheels of progress turning. To do so is to alienate a large section of the working class, a class whose industry constitutes the same percentage of GDP as sectors like Agriculture.
I have no issue with the underlying algorithm, the attention-based training, that sits at the center of this technology. It has done some incredible things for science, where a focused and specialized use of the technology is applied. Under an organization of the economy, void of capitalist desires and the aims to alienate workers from their labor, these algorithms could be utilized in many ways. Undoubtably, organizations of ones like the USSR's Artist Unions would be central in the planning and development of such technological advancement of generative AI technology under Socialism. However, every attempt to restrict and manage the use of generative AI today, is simply an effort to prolong the full proletarianization process of the arts. Embracing it now only signals your alliance to that process.
(1) Marxists are pro-centralization, not decentralization. We're not anarchists/libertarians. This is good for us as it lays the foundations for socialist society, while also increasing the contradictions within capitalist society, bringing the socialist revolution closer to fruition.
Rosa Luxemburg, On the National Question
Nikolai Bukharin, Anarchy and Scientific Communism
Marx & Engels, Manifesto of the Communist Party
(2) Much of your discussion just regards how AI is turning artists into an "extension of the machine" and further alienating their labor. But, like, that's already true for most workers. Petty bourgeois artists will have to fall to the low, low place of the common working man... gasp! The reality is that it is good for us, because a lot of these petty bourgeois artists, precisely because they are "self-made" and not as alienated from their labor as regular workers, tend to have more positive views of property right laws. If more of them become "extensions of the machine" like every proles, then their interests will become more materially aligned with the proles. They would stop seeing art as a superior kind of labor that makes them better and more important than other workers, but would see themselves as equal with the working class and having interests aligned with them.
(3) Your discussion regarding Deepseek is confusing. Yes, the point of AI is to improve productivity, but this is an objectively positive thing and the driving force of history that all Marxists should support. The whole point of revolution is that the previous system becomes a fetter on improving productivity. Whether or not Deepseek was created to improve productivity for capitalist or socialist reasons, either way, improving productivity is a positive thing. It is good to reduce labor costs.
Marx, Critique of the German Ideology
Marx & Engels, Manifesto of the Communist Party
(4) Clearly, for the proletariat, we "full proletarianization of the arts" is by definition a good thing for the proletarian movement.
I think we should strive to develop new marxist models of decentralized systems; because a lot of this centralized theory predates widespread use of electricity let alone modern technology and vast advances that have been made in science.
This is how marxism survives and strives; not by being book/model dogma worshippers.
I don't think Marxists, or materialists in general should be concerned about "Centralization" vs "Decentralization" at all. The problem classes that technology solves and solution methods available are numerous, and it is very reductive to lump them into "centralized" or "decentralized" categories. It is an unscientific approach no less bizarre than arguing about whether or not Lebesgue integrals or Riemann sums are more Marxist.
The centralization of production is the material foundations for socialist society and the core of Marx's historical materialist argument as to why capitalism is not an eternally sustainable system. If you abandon it then Marxism might as well be thrown in the trash because it would no longer have a materialist argument against capitalism. You could only mount a moralist argument at that point. Unless you are arguing that there is a different historical materialist argument possible that you could make that doesn't rely on appealing to the laws of the centralization?
The development process of capitalism does not so much as produce "centralisation" (which is ill defined tbh) but socialisation (the conversion of individual labor to group labor), urbanisation and standardisation.
And while someone might quibble over the idea that "centralisation = socialisation", people in general have all sorts of ideas about what centralisation is, while "socialisation" itself retains a solid definition.
Furthermore, while it is true that socialist society develops out of capitalist society, revolutions are by definition a breaking point in the mode of production which makes the insistence that socialist societies must be highly centralised backwards logic. We are starting from a dislike of anarchism's dogma of decentralisation and just working backwards.
Not that I necessarily opposed having a highly "centralised" socialist society, but that would be a very reductive way of classifying a mode of production given what we know about networks and production cycles in modern theories.
This is just being a pedant. Just about every Marxist author uses the two interchangeably. We are talking about the whole economy coming under a single common enterprise that operates according to a common plan, and the process of centralization/socialization/consolidation/etc is the gradual transition from scattered and isolated enterprises to larger and larger consolidated enterprises, from small producers to big oligopolies to eventually monopolies.
Marxism is not about completely destroying the old society and building a new one from the void left behind. Humans do not have the "free will" to build any kind of society they want. Marxists view the on-the-ground organization of production as determined by the forces of production themselves, not through politics or economic policies. When the feudal system was overthrown in French Revolution, it was not as if the French people just decided to then transition from total feudalism to total capitalism. Feudalism at that point basically didn't even exist anymore, the industrial revolution had so drastically changed the conditions on the ground that it basically already capitalism and entirely disconnected from the feudal superstructure.
Marx compared it to how when the firearm was invented, battle tactics had to change, because you could not use the same organizational structure with the invention of new tools. Engels once compared it to Darwinian evolution but for the social sciences, not because of the natural selection part, but the gradual change part. The political system is always implemented to reflect an already-existing way of producing things that arose on the ground of its own accord, but as the forces of production develop, the conditions on the ground very gradually change in subtle ways, and after hundreds of years, they will eventually become incredibly disconnected from the political superstructure, leading to instability.
Marx's argument for socialism is not a moralistic one, it is precisely that centralized production is incompatible with individual ownership, and that the development of the forces of production, very slowly but surely, replaces individual production with centralized production, destroying the foundations of capitalism in the process and developing towards a society that is entirely incompatible with the capitalist superstructure, leading to social and economic instability, with the only way out replacing individual appropriation with socialized appropriation through the expropriation of those enterprises.
The foundations remain the same, the superstructure on top of those foundations change. The idea that the forces of production leads directly to centralization and that post-capitalist society doesn't have to be centralized is straight-up anti-Marxist idealism. You are just not a Marxist, and that's fine, if you are an anarchist just be an anarchist and say you are one and don't try to misrepresent Marxian theory.
Oh wow, all of Marxism is apparently just anarchist hate! Who knew! Marxism debunked! No, it's because Marxists are just like you: they don't believe the development of the past society lays the foundations for the future society, they are not historical materialists, but believe humanity has the free will to build whatever society they want, and so they want to destroy the old society completely rather than sublating it, and build a new society out of the ashes left behind. They dream of taking all the large centralized enterprises and "busting them up" so to speak.
The details of what this common plan look like and how different sectors act cannot be proclaimed in advance. It is not pedantic to make a difference between socialisation and centralisation.
An enterprise can be highly socialised (a common budget and plan for all departments) while different departments are given significant amounts of autonomy (thereby being relatively decentralised). How this decision making is carried out, at what level, how many levels there even are in the hierarchy are important questions. And the answer to all of these questions differs depending on the purpose of the enterprise, even under a highly developed Communism.
That's why it is reductive to proclaim in advance that communist society will be extremely centralised.
Correct
The relationship between the base and superstructure is not hyper-deterministic. The base reassert itself during revolutionary conjectures, but if the base was always fully determining the superstructure and the development of the base occurred automatically, there literally wouldn't even be a point to engaging in communist politics. At that point, communists would be able to simply sit back, relax and watch Communism appear in "due time".
Furthermore, the very existence of a common plan for organising society itself presupppses that the superstructure assert itself over the base.
On the contrary the natural peasant economy still existed in france for many years after the French revolution, and attempted reassertions of feudal relations and feudal superstructures in france continued for many decades after the revolution.
I've never been accused of being an anarchist before. I guess there is a first time for everything.
It is also somehow idealism for one to expect future communist societies who can plan production for the whole society to be unable to organise themselves more intelligently than obsessing over some ill defined metric of "centralisation" and chain themselves to it.
I would like to see how this snark squares with literally anything I have said in my comment or even posting history.
I think it's amazing that you completely missed the part of my comments where I made sure to specify that "decentralisation" is also a nonsense category and not something to strive towards.
You seemed to have also forgotten while writing your comment that you labeled me as a pedant for basically wanting centralisation but calling it socialisation.
I also seem to have missed the part of marx where he said "historical materialism is when you take the current trend of society and draw a straight line to extrapolate".
No, a revolution in the forces of production is a phase change. It does not occur instantaneously but the whole point is that the megatrend of developmental progress has been fundamentally altered.
OP is not advocating for decentralization, this is a misrepresentation of their point. My understanding is that he was talking about how decentralized social media also ends up centralized, and provided examples of that. I don't think this point has much to do with AI, tho.
This is a completely US/Euro-centric view of what artists are and it's fucked up to say. We should not be celebrating more workers getting the short end of the stick, we should be showing them solidarity and showing them the way to organization. Antagonizing them just because you think they are petite-bourgeois is completely counterproductive. Most artists are either just making ends meet or working for big companies like every other worker, only a rather small minority of artists would fit the petty-bourgeois label.
This doesn't mean they will suddenly develop class consciousness. They were never a part of the bourgeoisie to begin with, and therefore our interests were already aligned.
Are artists who work for themselves something that only occurs in the US and Europe? I guess I just live under a rock, genuinely did not know.
I don't know what "antagonizing" has to do with anything here, and if you work for yourself you are by definition petty-bourgeois. How successful you are at that isn't relevant. The point is not about moralizing, I get the impression when you talk about "antagonizing" you are moralizing these terms and acting like "petty-bourgeoisie" is an insult. It's not. Many members of the petty-bourgeoisie are genuinely good people just trying to make their way in the world. It's not a moral category.
I am talking about their material interests. A person who works for themselves isn't as alienated from their labor as someone who works for a big company, and this leads them to also value property rights more because they have more control over what they produce and what is done with what they produce.
If you really are working for a big company where, like all regular workers, you don't get much say in what you produce or any control over it in the first place, then yes, your position is more inline with a member of the proletariat already, but a person like that would also be more easy to appeal to. They wouldn't have as much material interests in protecting intellectual property right laws because they are already alienated from what they produce.
In my personal experience (I have no data on this so take it with a grain of salt), petty-bourgeois artists tend to be more difficult to appeal to because even in the cases where they have left-leaning tendencies, they tend to lean more towards things like anarchism where they believe they can still operate as a petty-bourgeois small producer. I remember one anarchist artist who even told me that they would still want community enforcement of copyright under an anarchist society because they were afraid of people copying their art.
Maybe you are right and I am just sheltered and most artists outside of US and Europe work for big companies and the kind of "self-made" artist is more of a western-centric thing. But if that's the case, you can consider the commentary to be more focused on the west, because it still is worth discussing even if it's not universally applicable.
Of course, people only develop at best union consciousness on their own. You are already seeing increased unionization and union activities from artists in response to AI. For class consciousness, people need to be educated.
Many, at least here in the west where I live, are petty-bourgeois. Not all, but the "self-made" ones tend to be the most vocal against things like AI and they care the most about protecting things like copyright and IP law. If you're working for a big company, the stuff you draw belongs to the company, and even if it didn't, it would still have no utility to yourself because it's designed specifically to be used in company materials, so not only do these property right laws not allow you to keep what you draw, but even if they were removed, you wouldn't want to keep it, either, because it has no use to you.
That is why the proletariat is more alienated from their labor, and why they have less material interests in trying to maintain these kinds of property right laws. Of course, that doesn't mean a person of the petty-bourgeois class can't be appealed to, but it is a bit harder. In the Manifesto, Marx and Engels argue they can be appealed to in the case where they view their ruination and transformation into a member of the proletariat as far more likely than ever succeeding and advancing to become a member of the bourgeois class.
But Marx and Engels also argue that they are typically reactionary because they want to hold back the natural development of the productive forces, such as automation, precisely because it will lead to most of their ruination. This is the major problem with a lot of petty-bourgeois artists, they want to hold back automation in terms of AI because they are afraid it will hurl them into the proletariat. However, as automation continues to progress, eventually it will have gone so far it's clear there is no going back and they will have to come to grips with this fact, and that's when they proletariat can start appealing to them.
It was the same thing that Engels recommended to the peasantry. The ruination of the peasantry, like the petty-bourgeoisie, is inevitable with the development of the forces of production, specifically with the development of new productive forces that massively automate and semi-automate many aspects of agriculture. So, the proletariat should never promise to the peasantry to preserve their way of life forever, but rather, they should only promise to the peasantry better conditions during this process of being transformed into members of the proletariat, i.e. Engels specifically argued that collectivizing the peasant farms would allow them to develop into farming enterprises in a way that saves the peasants from losing their farms, which the majority would under the normal course of development.
Similarly, we should not promise to any petty bourgeois worker that we are going to hold back or even ban the development of the forces of production to preserve their way of life, but only that a socialist revolution would provide them better conditions in this transformation process. Yes, as you said, many of these artists are "just making ends meet," and that's the normal state of affairs. The petty-bourgeoisie are called petty for a reason, they are not your rich billionaires, most in general are struggling.
As for petty-bourgeois artists, if we simply banned AI, their life would still be shit, because we would just be stopping the development of the productive forces to preserve their already shitty way of life. In a socialist state, however, they would be provided for much more adequately, and so even though they would have to work in a public enterprise and could no longer be a member of the petty-bourgeoisie, they would actually have a much higher and more stable quality of living than "just making ends meet." They would have financial security and stability, and more access to education and free time to pursue artistry that isn't tied to making a living.
Marxists should not be in the business of trying to stall the progress of history to save non-proletarian classes, and the artists who work for big corporations who don't own their art are already proletarianized, so the development of AI doesn't change much for them.
Of course not and it's not something I said didn't exist, but rather not a majority like you implied it is, at least not from my experience observing it.
I didn't mean antagonizing in a moralistic way. Yes your definition is correct on paper, but I responded the way I did because of the way you initially talked about artists with contempt. I get what you were trying to say now, but saying it that way is not gonna win artists' hearts even if they do become as a whole extremely proletarianized.
I get what you're saying, I have seen this type of behavior before, mainly from english-speaking artists, but that is not my experience with artists from outside the imperial core. Here in Brasil at least, I tend to see a lot of left-leaning artists that understands their place in class society and class struggle. Maybe it's something more specific to my country, I don't know.
For the rest of your comment I completely agree. Also, just to be clear I'm not on the side of banning AI or promising artists things are gonna stay the way they are, but rather on the side of advocating for their organization and education on class dynamics and struggle. In fact there are already examples of artists organizing here in Brasil, like the movement UNIDAD.