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  • Volkswagen beat Tesla in European EV sales across the first three months of 2025, data shows.
  • Registrations for VW EVs are up more than 150%, while Tesla lost huge ground.
  • However, the Model Y and Model 3 remain Europe's top two most-registered EVs.
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[–] [email protected] 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Hybrids are not electric vehicles. They are a thing of the past to appease the „range anxiety“ crazed people.

They maybe had a justification to exist until 6 or 7 years ago.

It was always wrong to count those as true electric vehicles.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Cool.

So, anyway.

I mean, plug-in hybrids are what they are, and in Europe in particular there's way less charging infrastructure, way more people living in apartments without the ability to set up a home charge station and way more anxiety about charging full electric EVs as a consequence, depending on the region. Hybrids are whatever, plug-in hybrids seem like a reasonable way to bridge that gap.

But I'm already entertaining this conversation way more than I want, because it's going to lead off on a tangent and I don't want to go on that tangent and we're going to end up in how public transport is the real answer and there are millions of threads here to go rehash that conversation.

So anyway.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

in Europe in particular there's way less charging infrastructure

That's the opposite of reality in many cases.

For example, Scandinavia, Germany, and the Benelux countries have better charging networks AND much shorter distances between major population centers than the US in general.

way more people living in apartments without the ability to set up a home charge station

Would have been relevant a decade ago, but now there's public chargers at more and more parking lots and highway rest stops plus at least one major gas station chain has chargers at every station here in Denmark.

I have no doubt that conditions are even better in places like Norway and Sweden where they started adapting much earlier than we did.

way more anxiety about charging full electric EVs as a consequence, depending on the region

Bolded the only part you've been right about so far.

plug-in hybrids seem like a reasonable way to bridge that gap.

They were back when the battery technology and charging infrastructure wasn't in place to support fully transitioning to EVs, but most of Europe is way ahead of you, so as a rule rather than an exception, hybrids are an unnecessary concession, Democratic Party style.

But I'm already entertaining this conversation way more than I want, because it's going to lead off on a tangent and I don't want to go on that tangent and we're going to end up in how public transport is the real answer and there are millions of threads here to go rehash that conversation

TL;DR: you're wrong and tired of trying to justify your false assumptions, so you try to preempt the logic conclusion that many have reached by implying that it's wrong and/or or tedious.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago

I live in Germany and wanted to buy a new car 2 years ago. I live in the city in a rented apartment. I can't charge at Work, and neither at home. So I would have to use only public charging stations , the nearest is almost 2km away. Plus, public charging stations are so expensive that you pay more per km than gas for a ICE car (excluding maintenance costs obviously)

I actually wanted to buy an EV, but since I can't charge it, even though I live in a city, I couldn't

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 hours ago

Hey, I'll say this, if you want to have this pointless argument with someone who isn't me by just typing "TLDR" and making up some shit you have my wholehearted blessing. Beats having to comb through obnoxious quote blocks to nitpick the smaller fallacies, so go nuts.

Call me when it gets to the full-on name calling, that's always the most exciting part.