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Pope Francis has died (news.sky.com)
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[–] 25 points 1 year ago (16 children)

It sure feels like the tides are turning conservative everywhere, but apparently a Filipino progressive is a favorite to be next

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    We'll see where it goes. They aren't exactly transparent about these things, and they've been arguing among themselves for a while. We'll know with the white smoke, I suppose.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    There is a roman saying, "the one who enters conclave as the pope [to be] leaves it as a mere cardinal"

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I can't read this. The saying I know is probably Roman: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me".

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I'm not Catholic, and i don't follow this stuff closely, but I've seen a LOT of popes come and go, and as far as I remember, the chosen pope has NEVER been the early favorite. Anybody whose name is being knocked around right now is unlikely to be the final choice, recently-historically speaking.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I think in terms of the church the term "conservative" does not necessarily align with the political understanding. The largest shift in the church is demographic. White Europeans are loosing power rapidly in the catholic church. Subsequently the catholic church will align less and less with "Western" conservatives, and their imperialist understanding of geopolitics.

    I expect to see much more opposition of "christian conservative" politicians in Europe towards the catholic church.
    Ironically just yesterday the president of the German federal parliament of the "christian conservative" CDU told the Churches to shut up about politics.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It is not ironic, half of Germans are protestants.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    She is describing herself as catholic though and even studied catholic theology.Her attack was directed at all churches, not just the catholic church.

    More specifically she said "the churches shouldn't be another NGO" and then gave examples as to what they shouldn't talk about. So the idea is already that "NGO"s are something bad and civil society voicing political stances is bad. But then religious institutions commenting on how politics are in violation of the values the religion teaches, seems to be particularly disdained. This is also historically worrisome as the churches in the GDR used to be hailed for taking a stance against the regime and there is a lot of stories, how the churches in the third Reich would have taken stance, although i am not sure if the ratio of opposition/silence/collaboration is accurately represented in those stories.

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