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Do you honestly think Jesus was born on December 25? And that Santa and all his elves were there?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjxGvyPAY5A
The truth is, Xmas evolved from the Roman holiday Saturnalia....
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Dunno how the date Christmas is celebrated is relevant, or the character surrounding St Nicholas
Jesus was actually born in the summer time. https://people.howstuffworks.com/when-was-jesus-born.htm
Christmas is a pagan holiday to celebrate the winter solstice. Traditional puritans banned Christmas in the 1500. Right around the time they were burning witches
The winter solstice is on the 21st of December, not the 25th. The dating of Christmas has nothing to do with it.
Christmas is the date it is because it is 9 months (human gestation period) after the Feast of the Annunciation (25th of March) which gets it's date from an old attributed date of Jesus' death.
In fact, the reason the UK tax date is in March is for the same reason - the new year was the Annunciation. Then 12 days difference due to the Julian/Gregorian shift.
Edit:
Also, the link you provided debunks your own claim-
And once again echoes what I said
After the equinox, the sun "dies" for 3 days, then starts returning (25th). I read it on the internet.
21+3 is 24.
After the equinox so 22+3=25
I dunno I just wanted to be included in the dumb argument
Wouldn't make sense for it to hang after the equinox - wouldn't it start hanging before with the equinox as it's peak?
Okay, so how about the elves? The reindeer? The holly and mistletoe? The tree?
Not related to the Christian holiday of Christmas, they're secular
At least you’re better than most Jesus freaks who try to square the circle and say holly stands for Jesus or something.
So when should they have the secular Christmas special which is the holiday most people celebrate?
Just don't have it
Ah yes, the “no fun allowed” stance that is so successful
Also, isn’t Easter more important? Everybody is born but only one primate came back to life, which is the important part.
Theologians have debated that one. I recently attended a service where the minister argued for Good Friday being more important.
Christmas is the Incarnation - so it's like arguing over the most important part of a purchase.
Christmas - money put on the table Good Friday - money taken Easter - Receipt printed
David Graeber’s “Debt” goes pretty deep into the implications of making this sort of thing a transaction
But if you had to pick one of those to define the core of Christian faith - like Passover defines the core of Judaism - wouldn’t it be Easter?
ETA: Watching the Rugrats nail someone to a cross to explain Easter would have been WILD
What is the point of of wanting to prevent those who do not share your religion from celebrating their holidays? There is a national secular holiday called Christmas and a religious holiday called Christmas, how does the existence of one cause problems for the other? Are other secular holidays like the 4th of July or Veterans Day also a problem? Is this something similar to Christians having a problem with the secular legal contract called marriage being allowed alongside the religious ceremony and oath called marriage?
They're cringe