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They have started federating again, lord help us. (lemm.ee)

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Thanks for responding! I definitely agree on the major points. I'm having trouble making questions, but here are some statements that you should feel free to challenge:

(Focusing on just the US)

My perception is that there's more than enough productive capacity to meet everyone's basic needs (food, water, shelter, healthcare), and the reason folks go without is capitalism's failure to prioritize meeting everyone's needs. I agree that the simplest solution is to nationalize firms/industries, put them under democratic control, and collectively direct them to work for the good of the people. I'm down with that being priority #1, since people are fuckin' dying.

We seem very far from having enough power to do that now, and I like anarchism's prefiguration as a way of building a mass movement that is able to ultimately gain enough influence to make that happen.

I'm also personally fascinated by the emergent properties of a group of people and like viewing human society through the lens of a superorganism. Under that lens, the values a society holds guides each individual's behaviors, and the aggregate behavior of individuals shape society. It's certainly not materialist, but it's why I focused on individual incentives above.

I'm mostly pulling from here for concerns about the state and here (and here) for individuals mutual influence with society.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

I am not really wanting to get into sectatianism, as I see Anarchists as good comrades in a common struggle.

For the US, I am actually not so sure that productive capacity is high enough across all sectors and industries to get to 100% public ownership immediately. Much of the US's wealth comes from Imperialism, production happens overseas except in certain industries.

As for prefiguration, I personally look to the established success in Marxist parties to wage revolution. Anachism being more beautiful doesn't factor into my analysis. On the other hand, Marxist parties in the US like the Black Panther Party have been successful in garnering support, as PSL is doing now.

Overall, the biggest difference is that Anarchists and Marxists have different analysis of what the State even is, and the definition and means to end it in Marxism makes more sense to me, developing out of the need for one (whithering away) vs trying really hard to make a society directly without the need for one.