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'An uneasy feeling' among White House aides over Trump announcement on Tuesday: report
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At this point we can consider ourselves lucky if he doesn't straight up announce the annexation of either Canada or Greenland.
I honestly think it will be this.
That’s what I’m expecting. The optimist in me thinks he could pull an amnesia on wensday about tariffs to right the economy. But probably just invade Greenland or something
Which would be an illegal order that wouldn't be followed.
There have been how many illegal acts so far that his stooges have followed along with? Nothing is illegal if there’s no one willing to enforce it and no one willing to refuse to obey.
I'm talking about the army specifically, the most basic grunt has an obligation to refuse to obey illegal orders even if they come from the Joint chief of staff in person. The process is simple, confirm the order, day you believe it to be illegal, refuse to obey until proven wrong.
And again, with both armies being so intertwined, they would be asking to fight their friends, the odds that they would refuse these illegal orders would be even higher. Add the attacks on VA by the Republicans and the worst case scenario would be that the army would be divided and the pro-Trump camp would end up fighting the anti-Trump camp.
They'll get jailed or discharged because who cares? If America is at war Trump can do even more crazy shit. They're gonna sacrifice a few willing and disposable idiots in meaningless suicide missions until the rest of the grunts feel guilty for not helping their fellow soldiers. Morale will be abysmal but so is that of the Russian troops and yet they're fighting. I wouldn't rely on the military to put an end to this. It rarely plays out that way.
I have a unique perspective on that, and I’ll tell you it’s absolutely no different in the army or military than it is in the government with DOGE walking into agencies it SHOULD have no jurisdiction over and ordering them to stand down, then destroying them from within.
Right now the propaganda machine is rolling at %100 convincing the Right that what they’re doing is in defense of the constitution, against the Left’s evils. You have enough stooges in place as leaders, and out enough people who still have a spine, and the rest will (and have) fall in line.
Deporting college students without Due Process? Or protesters, or immigrants? Unconstitutional. Using DOGE to destroy legislative controlled agencies? Unconstitutional. Using DOGE to destroy legislatively mandated executive agencies? Unconstitutional. Attacking the media and their 1A? Unconstitutional. Being crowned god-king by the SCOTUS? Yeah, unconstitutional.
The difference is that the army drills that into the soldiers mind, public servants might be told to do it in passing as part of their onboarding, it's never made as clear as in the army.
I am telling you, that it doesn’t matter. When you replace the leaders who had a spine with stooges, and then beat down anyone else at the bottom who had a spine, and then start firing or refusing to pay people who aren’t falling in line, everyone else will follow along with whatever you want them to.
Look at the media right now, as a perfect example. Look at universities right now. People are afraid to speak out, because speaking out is being beaten out of them. It will and it has reached the military, too.
It’s naive to think that the military will stand up to it. The Trump administration already fired the leaders who could stand up to them, and then killed ‘DEI’ efforts to ensure that leaders know that they’re there only as long as they’re useful to the guys at the top.
Edit: HTF do you think murdering, executing, and committing genocide was normalized for the people and militaries in Nazi Germany and Israel right now? It’s happening here, and pretty soon convincing the military that Canada, Mexico, or Europe are enemies won’t be difficult. “They’re colluding to commit economic warfare against us! MAGA! Protect America from these bully Europeans!”
Edit 2: I’m afraid of speaking my opinions at work, or to say anything about my beliefs. I know good and well that there are ‘loyalty tests’ coming up, and I’m having to keep my head down now so that I don’t get labeled ‘not loyal enough’ now. And Lemmy here? In the future me exercising my 1A here could end up with me being fired or worse, sent to a gulag somewhere removing toxic waste from the soil after the US nukes itself. (The Handmaiden’s Tale reference.)
Wont they just be shot or disappeared? Its not like the army hasn't any experience or problems with murder.
You mean like pretty much every order he has given that has been followed??
What illegal orders has the army been given? None.
You mean like the the unsanction invasion of Iraq under the false pretense of WMD?... No, that never happened
So Trump gave that order?
Oh so your claim is that Trumps's illegal orders would be refused? Not illegal orders from other presidents? OK my bad
I guess the illegal deportations would be my answer then... Aren't these done with military planes?
In theory it wouldn't be followed.
With how mixed together the US and Canadian armies are, the grunts would probably rather shoot the people giving the order instead of following them. You might have some MAGA soldiers, but that just means that instead of fighting "the enemy" the US Army will end up fighting itself.
What legally constitutes an illegal order? I wonder if this would qualify. Certainly, I should hope it does.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Military/comments/1itmpn4/we_need_to_have_a_discussion_about_lawful_orders/
Good post on that subject