▲ 391 ▼ Anon is waiting for Japan (sh.itjust.works) submitted 1 year ago by Early_To_Risa@sh.itjust.works [M] to c/greentext@sh.itjust.works 185 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) No, they're absolutely not. Their GDP will majorly decline, but their QOL will stay the same or even improve and their GDP per capita also won't see much change. Birtherism is bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Shard@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I'm interested to know how you believe the elderly will be cared for? Let's assume for a moment they have no issues financially supporting the elderly, but physically who is supposed to care for them? Who will make up the nurses, doctors and caretakers now that their population pyramid looks like a chicken drumstick? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago Japan has a large amount of unused labor in the current demographic breakup of 29% elderly, Japan has a large number of educated inviduals, and Japan has a large amount of capital even without infinite growth shenanigans. Any failure to take care elderly even at 38% or even 50% would be a failure of the state as a result of greed or corruption. It's a relatively simple task to accomplish. The year is 2025, automation replaced most other jobs a long long time ago. permalink fedilink source parent [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) The services' costs are dependent on the number of recipients. They're already in the slump of elderly being a drain on the system, it can only get better not worse. The only concern of the population decline that I can see is the decrease in funding available for Military Expenses. And, if things get really bad, all they have to do is open up for immigration and able bodied workers will magically appear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) If Generation A has a higher number of people than Generation B then when Generation A dies off there will be a lower number of elderly. It's a temporary slump. It might last a decade or more, but it is temporary. According to your source the Percentage of people aged over 65 peaks in 2042 or 2043 at about 38% if the government does nothing, compared to the 29.6% currently. Right now a lot of skilled workers are fleeing to the EU, so Japan could totally capitalize on that. Or it can just educate its population to be skilled labor and give all the low skilled labor (if that even exists) to immigrants. Immigrants work hard for lower wages and are less prone to crime, there is no good faith argument against that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) They'll survive it, their markets and investments aren't overvalued like ours are. They'll crash, re-evaluate their societal priorities, and start to build again permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean every society has to rebuild after a crash, I'm just optimistic that they'll do it faster permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Got a summary? I know the onus is on me, but I'm not likely to dig much further permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Tyfud@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Yeah, but that's only a problem if elderly orderlies is an underpaid job that no one wants, and if people can't afford to live on it when choosing such a profession. If the economy adjusts or society adjusts such that caring for the elderly is a highly sought out and secure job that can easily pay a mortgage, what's the issue? This is what I mean when I say they will crash and their economy will adjust. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Under the current system. All retirement vehicles dependent on the investment market will crash horribly. Anyone with retirement funds in such a crash is doomed. Which will force a reset and a switch to a new financial system (see: Turkey's various resets over the last 50 years, or Greece in the last 10). Money will be lost. The system will reset, re-valuate the demand for such services, and people will be paid in a new currency to plug the supply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Or you reset the currency, like Turkey has done many times before no? You swear off your debts, print new money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] MadhuGururajan@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago hard to function with a negative outlook permalink fedilink source parent [–] Caitlyynn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) That'd require significant societal change to an environment where having children is actually manageable permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children) No, they're absolutely not. Their GDP will majorly decline, but their QOL will stay the same or even improve and their GDP per capita also won't see much change. Birtherism is bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Shard@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I'm interested to know how you believe the elderly will be cared for? Let's assume for a moment they have no issues financially supporting the elderly, but physically who is supposed to care for them? Who will make up the nurses, doctors and caretakers now that their population pyramid looks like a chicken drumstick? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago Japan has a large amount of unused labor in the current demographic breakup of 29% elderly, Japan has a large number of educated inviduals, and Japan has a large amount of capital even without infinite growth shenanigans. Any failure to take care elderly even at 38% or even 50% would be a failure of the state as a result of greed or corruption. It's a relatively simple task to accomplish. The year is 2025, automation replaced most other jobs a long long time ago. permalink fedilink source parent [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) The services' costs are dependent on the number of recipients. They're already in the slump of elderly being a drain on the system, it can only get better not worse. The only concern of the population decline that I can see is the decrease in funding available for Military Expenses. And, if things get really bad, all they have to do is open up for immigration and able bodied workers will magically appear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) If Generation A has a higher number of people than Generation B then when Generation A dies off there will be a lower number of elderly. It's a temporary slump. It might last a decade or more, but it is temporary. According to your source the Percentage of people aged over 65 peaks in 2042 or 2043 at about 38% if the government does nothing, compared to the 29.6% currently. Right now a lot of skilled workers are fleeing to the EU, so Japan could totally capitalize on that. Or it can just educate its population to be skilled labor and give all the low skilled labor (if that even exists) to immigrants. Immigrants work hard for lower wages and are less prone to crime, there is no good faith argument against that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Shard@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I'm interested to know how you believe the elderly will be cared for? Let's assume for a moment they have no issues financially supporting the elderly, but physically who is supposed to care for them? Who will make up the nurses, doctors and caretakers now that their population pyramid looks like a chicken drumstick? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago Japan has a large amount of unused labor in the current demographic breakup of 29% elderly, Japan has a large number of educated inviduals, and Japan has a large amount of capital even without infinite growth shenanigans. Any failure to take care elderly even at 38% or even 50% would be a failure of the state as a result of greed or corruption. It's a relatively simple task to accomplish. The year is 2025, automation replaced most other jobs a long long time ago. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago Japan has a large amount of unused labor in the current demographic breakup of 29% elderly, Japan has a large number of educated inviduals, and Japan has a large amount of capital even without infinite growth shenanigans. Any failure to take care elderly even at 38% or even 50% would be a failure of the state as a result of greed or corruption. It's a relatively simple task to accomplish. The year is 2025, automation replaced most other jobs a long long time ago. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) The services' costs are dependent on the number of recipients. They're already in the slump of elderly being a drain on the system, it can only get better not worse. The only concern of the population decline that I can see is the decrease in funding available for Military Expenses. And, if things get really bad, all they have to do is open up for immigration and able bodied workers will magically appear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) If Generation A has a higher number of people than Generation B then when Generation A dies off there will be a lower number of elderly. It's a temporary slump. It might last a decade or more, but it is temporary. According to your source the Percentage of people aged over 65 peaks in 2042 or 2043 at about 38% if the government does nothing, compared to the 29.6% currently. Right now a lot of skilled workers are fleeing to the EU, so Japan could totally capitalize on that. Or it can just educate its population to be skilled labor and give all the low skilled labor (if that even exists) to immigrants. Immigrants work hard for lower wages and are less prone to crime, there is no good faith argument against that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child) The services' costs are dependent on the number of recipients. They're already in the slump of elderly being a drain on the system, it can only get better not worse. The only concern of the population decline that I can see is the decrease in funding available for Military Expenses. And, if things get really bad, all they have to do is open up for immigration and able bodied workers will magically appear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) If Generation A has a higher number of people than Generation B then when Generation A dies off there will be a lower number of elderly. It's a temporary slump. It might last a decade or more, but it is temporary. According to your source the Percentage of people aged over 65 peaks in 2042 or 2043 at about 38% if the government does nothing, compared to the 29.6% currently. Right now a lot of skilled workers are fleeing to the EU, so Japan could totally capitalize on that. Or it can just educate its population to be skilled labor and give all the low skilled labor (if that even exists) to immigrants. Immigrants work hard for lower wages and are less prone to crime, there is no good faith argument against that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) If Generation A has a higher number of people than Generation B then when Generation A dies off there will be a lower number of elderly. It's a temporary slump. It might last a decade or more, but it is temporary. According to your source the Percentage of people aged over 65 peaks in 2042 or 2043 at about 38% if the government does nothing, compared to the 29.6% currently. Right now a lot of skilled workers are fleeing to the EU, so Japan could totally capitalize on that. Or it can just educate its population to be skilled labor and give all the low skilled labor (if that even exists) to immigrants. Immigrants work hard for lower wages and are less prone to crime, there is no good faith argument against that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child) If Generation A has a higher number of people than Generation B then when Generation A dies off there will be a lower number of elderly. It's a temporary slump. It might last a decade or more, but it is temporary. According to your source the Percentage of people aged over 65 peaks in 2042 or 2043 at about 38% if the government does nothing, compared to the 29.6% currently. Right now a lot of skilled workers are fleeing to the EU, so Japan could totally capitalize on that. Or it can just educate its population to be skilled labor and give all the low skilled labor (if that even exists) to immigrants. Immigrants work hard for lower wages and are less prone to crime, there is no good faith argument against that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 child) They'll survive it, their markets and investments aren't overvalued like ours are. They'll crash, re-evaluate their societal priorities, and start to build again permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean every society has to rebuild after a crash, I'm just optimistic that they'll do it faster permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Got a summary? I know the onus is on me, but I'm not likely to dig much further permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Tyfud@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Yeah, but that's only a problem if elderly orderlies is an underpaid job that no one wants, and if people can't afford to live on it when choosing such a profession. If the economy adjusts or society adjusts such that caring for the elderly is a highly sought out and secure job that can easily pay a mortgage, what's the issue? This is what I mean when I say they will crash and their economy will adjust. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Under the current system. All retirement vehicles dependent on the investment market will crash horribly. Anyone with retirement funds in such a crash is doomed. Which will force a reset and a switch to a new financial system (see: Turkey's various resets over the last 50 years, or Greece in the last 10). Money will be lost. The system will reset, re-valuate the demand for such services, and people will be paid in a new currency to plug the supply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Or you reset the currency, like Turkey has done many times before no? You swear off your debts, print new money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] MadhuGururajan@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago hard to function with a negative outlook permalink fedilink source parent
[+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean every society has to rebuild after a crash, I'm just optimistic that they'll do it faster permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Got a summary? I know the onus is on me, but I'm not likely to dig much further permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Tyfud@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Yeah, but that's only a problem if elderly orderlies is an underpaid job that no one wants, and if people can't afford to live on it when choosing such a profession. If the economy adjusts or society adjusts such that caring for the elderly is a highly sought out and secure job that can easily pay a mortgage, what's the issue? This is what I mean when I say they will crash and their economy will adjust. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Under the current system. All retirement vehicles dependent on the investment market will crash horribly. Anyone with retirement funds in such a crash is doomed. Which will force a reset and a switch to a new financial system (see: Turkey's various resets over the last 50 years, or Greece in the last 10). Money will be lost. The system will reset, re-valuate the demand for such services, and people will be paid in a new currency to plug the supply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Or you reset the currency, like Turkey has done many times before no? You swear off your debts, print new money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] MadhuGururajan@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago hard to function with a negative outlook permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 child) I mean every society has to rebuild after a crash, I'm just optimistic that they'll do it faster permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Got a summary? I know the onus is on me, but I'm not likely to dig much further permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Tyfud@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Yeah, but that's only a problem if elderly orderlies is an underpaid job that no one wants, and if people can't afford to live on it when choosing such a profession. If the economy adjusts or society adjusts such that caring for the elderly is a highly sought out and secure job that can easily pay a mortgage, what's the issue? This is what I mean when I say they will crash and their economy will adjust. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Under the current system. All retirement vehicles dependent on the investment market will crash horribly. Anyone with retirement funds in such a crash is doomed. Which will force a reset and a switch to a new financial system (see: Turkey's various resets over the last 50 years, or Greece in the last 10). Money will be lost. The system will reset, re-valuate the demand for such services, and people will be paid in a new currency to plug the supply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Or you reset the currency, like Turkey has done many times before no? You swear off your debts, print new money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Got a summary? I know the onus is on me, but I'm not likely to dig much further permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Tyfud@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Yeah, but that's only a problem if elderly orderlies is an underpaid job that no one wants, and if people can't afford to live on it when choosing such a profession. If the economy adjusts or society adjusts such that caring for the elderly is a highly sought out and secure job that can easily pay a mortgage, what's the issue? This is what I mean when I say they will crash and their economy will adjust. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Under the current system. All retirement vehicles dependent on the investment market will crash horribly. Anyone with retirement funds in such a crash is doomed. Which will force a reset and a switch to a new financial system (see: Turkey's various resets over the last 50 years, or Greece in the last 10). Money will be lost. The system will reset, re-valuate the demand for such services, and people will be paid in a new currency to plug the supply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Or you reset the currency, like Turkey has done many times before no? You swear off your debts, print new money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 child) Got a summary? I know the onus is on me, but I'm not likely to dig much further permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Tyfud@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Yeah, but that's only a problem if elderly orderlies is an underpaid job that no one wants, and if people can't afford to live on it when choosing such a profession. If the economy adjusts or society adjusts such that caring for the elderly is a highly sought out and secure job that can easily pay a mortgage, what's the issue? This is what I mean when I say they will crash and their economy will adjust. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Under the current system. All retirement vehicles dependent on the investment market will crash horribly. Anyone with retirement funds in such a crash is doomed. Which will force a reset and a switch to a new financial system (see: Turkey's various resets over the last 50 years, or Greece in the last 10). Money will be lost. The system will reset, re-valuate the demand for such services, and people will be paid in a new currency to plug the supply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Or you reset the currency, like Turkey has done many times before no? You swear off your debts, print new money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Tyfud@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Yeah, but that's only a problem if elderly orderlies is an underpaid job that no one wants, and if people can't afford to live on it when choosing such a profession. If the economy adjusts or society adjusts such that caring for the elderly is a highly sought out and secure job that can easily pay a mortgage, what's the issue? This is what I mean when I say they will crash and their economy will adjust. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Under the current system. All retirement vehicles dependent on the investment market will crash horribly. Anyone with retirement funds in such a crash is doomed. Which will force a reset and a switch to a new financial system (see: Turkey's various resets over the last 50 years, or Greece in the last 10). Money will be lost. The system will reset, re-valuate the demand for such services, and people will be paid in a new currency to plug the supply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Or you reset the currency, like Turkey has done many times before no? You swear off your debts, print new money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) Yeah, but that's only a problem if elderly orderlies is an underpaid job that no one wants, and if people can't afford to live on it when choosing such a profession. If the economy adjusts or society adjusts such that caring for the elderly is a highly sought out and secure job that can easily pay a mortgage, what's the issue? This is what I mean when I say they will crash and their economy will adjust. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Under the current system. All retirement vehicles dependent on the investment market will crash horribly. Anyone with retirement funds in such a crash is doomed. Which will force a reset and a switch to a new financial system (see: Turkey's various resets over the last 50 years, or Greece in the last 10). Money will be lost. The system will reset, re-valuate the demand for such services, and people will be paid in a new currency to plug the supply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Or you reset the currency, like Turkey has done many times before no? You swear off your debts, print new money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Under the current system. All retirement vehicles dependent on the investment market will crash horribly. Anyone with retirement funds in such a crash is doomed. Which will force a reset and a switch to a new financial system (see: Turkey's various resets over the last 50 years, or Greece in the last 10). Money will be lost. The system will reset, re-valuate the demand for such services, and people will be paid in a new currency to plug the supply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Or you reset the currency, like Turkey has done many times before no? You swear off your debts, print new money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Under the current system. All retirement vehicles dependent on the investment market will crash horribly. Anyone with retirement funds in such a crash is doomed. Which will force a reset and a switch to a new financial system (see: Turkey's various resets over the last 50 years, or Greece in the last 10). Money will be lost. The system will reset, re-valuate the demand for such services, and people will be paid in a new currency to plug the supply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Or you reset the currency, like Turkey has done many times before no? You swear off your debts, print new money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Or you reset the currency, like Turkey has done many times before no? You swear off your debts, print new money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) Or you reset the currency, like Turkey has done many times before no? You swear off your debts, print new money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] MadhuGururajan@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago hard to function with a negative outlook permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Caitlyynn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) That'd require significant societal change to an environment where having children is actually manageable permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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