FINAL UPDATE
@bdonvr, admin of The Lemmy Club has, in my opinion, responded in good faith to the concerns raised in this post, and so I have withdrawn my proposal for defederation. In summary:
- They will no longer be allowing conservative/right wing communities on their instance
- A couple of accounts were banned ( marathon and Bernard )
- "realcaseyrollins decided to voluntarily close /c/[email protected], /c/[email protected], and /c/[email protected]."
Personally, I think this is just about the ideal outcome, and I hope this will convince folks to give The Lemmy Club another chance.
The Lemmy Club is currently suffering from "The Nazi Bar" problem. All of their top communities are run by three right-wingers as illustrated below.
The Lemmy Club instance admin doesn't seem to want to ban them, for the reasons mentioned below:
This vote is on whether or not we should defederate from this instance until they address their Nazi Bar problem.
Upvote = for defederation. Downvote = against defederation.
Edit: As others have mentioned, happy to treat this a only a temporary measure until the problem is resolved.
Edit 2: The Lemmy Club admin has said they will implement a rule against right wing communities, and has taken action on some problematic posts and users (see original comments below).
I'm willing to extend the benefit of the doubt to the admin here, as they have responded in good faith:
If you implement those changes then I’d be willing to withdraw the defederation proposal and consider the problem resolved.
Not a rational comparison because of how insanely far right the overton window has shifted.
Women's rights? Left wing
LGBTQ+ rights? Left wing
Anti-genocide? Left wing.
Love your neighbor? Left wing.
Feed the hungry? Help the poor? Left wing.
Fiscal responsibility? Believe it or not, left wing.
Personal accountability? Left wing now too.
Respect rule of law and the Constitution? Left fucking wing.
The overton window is so far moved that nothing is left for the right wing short of "xenophobic nationalism".
You Americans don't even have a left wing. 😅 Both your parties are quite Conservative.
I'm still not sure what the problem is that's being brought up here.
When it comes to actual normal Americans, they mostly desire left wing or progressive values.
Conservative (incl Russian) media has done a thoroughly good job of grooming the majority of Americans into either
Voting farthest right, even if they have more left wing ideals
Not voting at all
Which successfully moves the overton window further right every election.
There are very many leftists in America, they just aren't capable of getting a win, because they long ago lost the information war.
I reaaaally like this comment, and I hate that it’s now true in so many places.