FINAL UPDATE
@bdonvr, admin of The Lemmy Club has, in my opinion, responded in good faith to the concerns raised in this post, and so I have withdrawn my proposal for defederation. In summary:
- They will no longer be allowing conservative/right wing communities on their instance
- A couple of accounts were banned ( marathon and Bernard )
- "realcaseyrollins decided to voluntarily close /c/[email protected], /c/[email protected], and /c/[email protected]."
Personally, I think this is just about the ideal outcome, and I hope this will convince folks to give The Lemmy Club another chance.
The Lemmy Club is currently suffering from "The Nazi Bar" problem. All of their top communities are run by three right-wingers as illustrated below.
The Lemmy Club instance admin doesn't seem to want to ban them, for the reasons mentioned below:
This vote is on whether or not we should defederate from this instance until they address their Nazi Bar problem.
Upvote = for defederation. Downvote = against defederation.
Edit: As others have mentioned, happy to treat this a only a temporary measure until the problem is resolved.
Edit 2: The Lemmy Club admin has said they will implement a rule against right wing communities, and has taken action on some problematic posts and users (see original comments below).
I'm willing to extend the benefit of the doubt to the admin here, as they have responded in good faith:
If you implement those changes then I’d be willing to withdraw the defederation proposal and consider the problem resolved.
If I have to choose between this user and federation with db0 I would side with db0.
However I must comment frankly that moving immediately to defederation over a thread in which the subject - @[email protected] - has never been the subject of db0 moderation action (with over 4k combined comments and posts over 6 months) in some attempt to strongarm me into action is, at minimum, distasteful.
Trust me, I'm a card carrying Communist party member. I do not care for conservative views at all. But I did not create The Lemmy Club to be a partisan instance - but a general instance to replace reddit. I do of course have limits, however in reviewing the posting history of @[email protected] I do not find anything worthy of banning. I do not like some of the sources they post. But they also post non-conservative stories and sources as well and generally conduct themselves in a reasonable manner in all posts and comments. They do not appear to me to be some wild-MAGA idiot, although they do seem to be conservative. They post unfavorable things about Trump fairly often. The fact that it has come to this is to me, a bit bizarre.
Thanks for having this open to outside comments, though.
I appreciate this. And if you ever feel that I start to become a problem please DM me, I'm not afraid to move instances so as not to harm an instance's reputation, I have done so in the past.
After some consideration I don't think - as sole admin - with such a difference in ideology, I can effectively moderate conservative communities on The Lemmy Club. I will have to remove communities like "Right Wing Videos" and others. Although I haven't seen anything that rises to the level of "neo-nazi" from you, I have seen some of it posted to communities of yours by others, and so I can't be hands-off either. I also have gotten and seen too many comments that our community list is off-putting to be comfortable with it. Thanks for being understanding and level-headed.
Edit: after more thought, my final wording on the rule is this:
"Users or communities that, in the view of the admin team, jeopardize the good standing of The Lemmy Club with other instances may be removed."
It is more vague than I'd like. But allows me the flexibility to take action when needed without devolving into arguments about what's "too right wing" if I had explicitly banned right wing comms, and applicable to more situations.