In the piece — titled "Can You Fool a Self Driving Car?" — Rober found that a Tesla car on Autopilot was fooled by a Wile E. Coyote-style wall painted to look like the road ahead of it, with the electric vehicle plowing right through it instead of stopping.

The footage was damning enough, with slow-motion clips showing the car not only crashing through the styrofoam wall but also a mannequin of a child. The Tesla was also fooled by simulated rain and fog.

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[–] 195 points 2 years ago (28 children)

I wondered how the hell it managed to fool LIDAR, well...

The stunt was meant to demonstrate the shortcomings of relying entirely on cameras — rather than the LIDAR and radar systems used by brands and autonomous vehicle makers other than Tesla.

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  • [–] 165 points 2 years ago

    If I could pass one law, requiring multiple redundant scanning tech on anything autonomous large enough to hurt me might be it.

    I occasionally go to our warehouses which have robotic arms, autonomous fork lifts, etc. All of those have far more saftey features than a self driving Tesla, and they aren't in public.

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  • [–] 135 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    The tl;dr here is that Elon said that humans have eyes and they work, and eyes are like cameras, so use cameras instead of expensive LIDAR. Dick fully inside car door for the slam.

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  • [–] 58 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I thlamed my penith in the car door

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    In theory he's not wrong, except for that part where neither the optics nor (especially) the software come anywhere close to matching the performance of human eyes and brains and won't for the foreseeable future.

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  • The worst part is that LiDAR isn’t even expensive anymore. Hell, my phone has LiDAR. He originally said that to justify the fact that they were dealing with a component shortage and he needed to keep shipping vehicles. So he simply shipped them without the LiDAR systems that he couldn’t get ahold of, and claimed it was because he didn’t need LiDAR.

    But now LiDAR is much more advanced and cheaper. But since he refused to admit it was because of a component shortage, adding LiDAR now would require Musk to publicly admit he was wrong. And we all know that will never happen.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    The entire premise of the joke is that we could mistake a sufficiently detailed image of a road for an actual road. That humans are susceptible to such a failure does not mean it is reasonable for a robot to share the same flaw.

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  • [–] 74 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They used to have it but Elmo removed it years ago as a cost cutting move.

    Now they’re the only self driving car that drives into immovable objects.

    You might remember a few years ago a guy got decapitated when his Model S drove straight into the side of a semi trailer.

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  • [–] 52 points 2 years ago

    To be clear, Elon Musk removed radar from Tesla vehicles and not Lidar, but a) he had it removed even from vehicles that had the hardware for radar and b) radar would have been enough to pass all the tests in the video anyway.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    It didn't fool lidar... The car equipped with lidar stopped before hitting the wall because it saw the obstacle not what was on the obstacle

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    You didn't see the quote in the above comment that specifically states Teslas don't have lidar but other brands using it weren't fooled?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    The person I replied to said he wondered how it fooled lidar...

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    "Wondered" past tense, as in now they realise after reading the quote that the car they thought had lidar in it actually does not.

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