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Supreme Court of Ukraine: illegal mobilisation is not an excuse to demobilise the person (sud.ua)

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

That's literally what conscription means in legal terms

No. Conscription is you get summons and have to do military service (which is also totally wrong but a different thing). If you refuse you get sent to jail. You can simply leave the country if you don't like that.

What happens in Ukraine is kidnapping random people off the streets (who are forbidden from leaving the country), putting them into vans and sensing them to die.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

You're presenting a distinction without a difference.

Both are effectively the same thing, a citizen pressed into service, against their will.

Jail-time is the best case scenario, and in no way intrinsic to the concept.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Both are effectively the same thing, a citizen pressed into service, against their will.

So "you cannot leave the country and will be kidnapped and forced to die a horrible death on the front lines" is the same as "you can freely leave the country but if you don't you will have to do forced labour in military uniform for a year".

Got it.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Now you're just being deliberately obtuse. That's not what the word "conscription" means, and I'm pretty sure you know that.

You're just being an ass because a year of mandatory service is what the law uses conscription for in Finland, DURING PEACETIME.

In wartime, being unable to leave the country, forced to fight on the front lines, is also conscription.

Conscription, also known as the draft in American English, is the practice in which the compulsory enlistment in a national service, mainly a military service, is enforced by law.

"you cannot leave the country and will be kidnapped and forced to die a horrible death on the front lines"

When done by a state, that is literally still within the definition.