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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Conscription is done in preparation for "mass kidnappings of cannon fodder", as you put it.

No?..

Russia has conscription but not kidnapping part and forbidding to leave the country part. So do many other countries.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Conscription is done in preparation for "mass kidnappings of cannon fodder", as you put it.

No?..

...yes? Or do you think the countries with peacetime conscription do it for shits and giggles, and the massive economic benefit of half the population losing about a year of working life?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Okay, then surely you can show me a shittone of examples of such a massive campaign of kidnappings happening to people forbidden from leaving the country because they are needed as cannon fodder that happened in modern history (let's say last two centuries)?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

surely you can show me a shittone of examples of such a massive campaign of kidnappings happening to people forbidden from leaving the country [...] that happened in [...]let's say last two centuries?

I'll just give you a partial list of European countries that 1) had wartime conscription, and 2) executed deserters, in WW1 or 2, which would indicate an equally/more drastic "kill or be killed" choice, and is way easier to find. Or do you know better how conscription worked in the WWs off the top of your head?

  • Britain and the Commonwealth
  • France
  • Germany
  • Italy
  • Soviet Union (estimated around 150 000 executed in WW2, including returned POWs executed for "desertion")
[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago
  1. had wartime conscription, and 2) executed deserters

Neither of that is what I asked you for (come on, you even quoted my reply in you reply - "massive campaign of kidnappings happening to people forbidden from leaving the country", and then you proceeded to give an example of a completely different thing (also awful, but completely different)).

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Or do you know better how conscription worked in the WWs off the top of your head?

I don't. But surely you do, as you're trying to portray what happens in Ukraine as normal, so I am asking you to tell me about it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago

Russia has conscription but not kidnapping part and forbidding to leave the country part. So do many other countries.

Russia has a larger population than Ukraine, and thus the luxury to not need everyone, and still they have called in reservists in "partial mobilization", exact number unknown. As Russia has conscription, every adult man who has performed their service is in reserve. As of 2023, reservists called into service are not allowed to leave and are subject to restrictions until they report to duty, which seems like high-tech enforcement/"kidnapping" to me. The conscriptions have also hit poorer regions, often with large ethnic minorities, more harshly, but I'm sure that's just coincidence.

There are reports of some military districts closing borders, of mobilized men being ill-equipped and used as cannon fodder, being killed in large numbers, you name it. As with all war reporting, hard to get well-verified factsfacts, especially from a country hostile to neutral reporters. We do know that protests are broken (and male protestors sometimes drafted).

But yeah, probably not needing troop replacements to the same extent as Ukraine. Who, I'm saying again, are fighting for the survival of their country and culture.