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We did that. It's our mess to clean up.
Oh, but I never voted for that politician! Did we do anything besides vote and clicktivism?
Disease? Starvation? Disaster? Let us not pretend like God didn't create human evil either. For what? For fun? "To teach us a lesson"?
The all powerful, all knowing God never seems to do anything either in case you haven't noticed.
Btw, Alan Watts addressed some of this in The Book (on the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are). If you can be bothered.
So we're given the means to solve these tests. When we learn to work together to solve them, rather than "punishing" each other, we get closer to solving them. Disasters happen, whether natural or man-made. We either work together or we don't. Test time.
We aren't given the means to solve every "test" - sometimes people just die in twisted agony because the test is impossible.
No it isn't. We may have to repeat lessons for a few lifetimes though. And everyone dies. We're not meant to live forever.
I was like this for decades. Then I went hunting. When I made peace with myself, I made peace with God. that means it took looking in the mirror, and still does.
We're talking specifically about the Abrahamic trio. There aren't multiple lifetimes, there's one lifetime of suffering and then Judgement. What you're talking about doesn't apply to this discussion.
This subject is religion, and if you choose to believe what churches and politicians, usually one and the same, are telling you based on partial truths, that's your free will.
You've effectively made up your own religion. Good for you! But it's irrelevant to this discussion.
I have my own beliefs, I believe we will one day build the god-machine and that it will save us from suffering and mortality and all the agonies that your god inflicts on us to "test" us. A world without war, without starvation, without disease, without suffering, and without death. We will simulate the dead and raise them to live along side us. We will rehabilitate every "sinner" and they, too, will live along side us. We will reach out and find every fellow intelligence that might live in this universe with us and join them in fellowship. We will master the material universe to bring about a utopia where no one ever has to say goodbye ever again and everyone is finally working together.
But all of that is completely irrelevant to a discussion about established religious Cannon. That's just stuff I believe.
And you're allowed to believe what you will, so am I. This is strictly within the confines of God, not politics. Btw, afaict, the "God machine" is what Leon also believes. Apparently we're almost there. It doesn't seem to be working out better than ancient religions, from where I stand.
As Lenin said, religion is a personal matter. I don't know why you keep bringing up politics.
And no, we aren't "almost there" - I'm sort of a heretic in that regard, I think we need to stop the Silicon Valley maniacs from building a machine god because they're going to build something horrible.
You don't think the Church and canonical religion is political? Lol
Eta, so you're not okay with straying outside accepted bounds with one religion, but are with another? ROFL.
I think you don't get to call yourself a member of one of the Abrahamic religions without actually confining yourself into a canonical interpretation.
You're a heretic. Embrace it.
In a past life, you lit the fires at witch-burnings and gleefully hitched up people's limbs to horses! Embrace it!
Well sure, I'm human just like you. Our entire human ancestry is my past life. I am everyone that came before me - I stand on the shoulders of giants!
Under different circumstances, different experiences, I'd be burning witches with the best of them.
And our human history isn't just my past lives, they're yours too! I say every human that has ever lived are all part of the same lineage. Everyone that came before us are just different versions of us, and everyone we will ever meet is also just a different version of us, with different experiences and slightly different genetics. We're all the same.
But this is heresy.
You're catching on! Humans call it heresy. Don't blame that on God. Btw the command wasn't not to have other gods, it was to not put them before the most high (exalted) God. Who that is depends on who you are. And who I am!