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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Israel is a fascist apartheid state committing genocide. Police violently cracking down on anti-israel / anti-zionist speech is also fascist. You are conflating anti-zionism with anti-semitism, which is genuine anti-semitism. Anti-zionism calls for the end to genocide and for Palestinians emancipation.

Zionism is about Settler Colonialism and Ethnic Cleansing of native Palestinians, it is not reflective of Judaism nor is it representative of Jewish people. Anti-zionism is not anti-semitism. The conflation of the two is genuinely antisemitic, as it falsely attributes the actions of Israel to all Jewish people.

Zionism is anti-Semitic at it's core, it other-izes Jewish people, and justifies the violent settler colonialim of Israel as in the defense of all Jewish people, which only serves to further fuel genuine Antisemitism at the expense of Jewish people globally. Zionism is also an inherently fascist ideology. The ethnic cleansing of the native people of Palestine has always been fundamental since it's inception as a colonialist movement.

Adi Callai, an Israeli, does a great analysis of how Antisemitism has been weaponized by Zionism during its history.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

here's a video on the history of palestine, you can decide for yourself if the jews have a right to live in palestine, have a right to a state in palestine, have a right to return to palestine and how long the conflict has been going on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv8F4NLr4E0

[–] [email protected] 0 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Benny Morris is a Zionist who justifies and supports the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. If you are genuinely interested in the full story, you should at the least read the works of anti-zionist Historians as well

Gaza Infographics

Historian Works on the History

Documentaries

A shocking insight into Israel's Apartheid | Roadmap to Apartheid | Full Film

Palestine 101 with Abby Martin

Life in Occupied PALESTINE by Anna Baltzer

How Israeli Apartheid Destroyed My Hometown

The Gaza Ghetto Uprising

Anti-Semitism, Weaponized.

One year of Israel’s war on Gaza: Al Jazeera special coverage

Palestine 1920: The Other Side of the Palestinian Story | Al Jazeera World Documentary

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Benny Morris is a Zionist who justifies and supports the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. If you are genuinely interested in the full story, you should at the least read the works of anti-zionist Historians as well

any proof he's a zionist, or just doesn't agree with you

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Did you not even bother to read the paragraphs I quoted? You have no clue what you're talking about

But in an astonishing recent Ha’aretz interview, after summarizing his new research, Morris proceeds to argue for the necessity of ethnic cleansing in 1948. He faults David Ben-Gurion for failing to expel all Arab Israelis, and hints that it may be necessary to finish the job in the future. Though he calls himself a left-wing Zionist, he invokes and praises the fascist Vladimir Jabotinsky in calling for an “iron wall” solution to the current crisis. Referring to Sharon’s Security Wall, he says, “Something like a cage has to be built for them. I know that sounds terrible. It is really cruel. But there is no choice. There is a wild animal there that has to be locked up in one way or another.” He calls the conflict between Israelis and Arabs a struggle between civilization and barbarism, and suggests an analogy frequently drawn by Palestinians, though from the other side of the Winchester: “Even the great American democracy could not have been created without the annihilation of the Indians.”

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

honestly don't see this in all that stuff you copy pasted

you conflate zionist with the mania of this last war, zionist used to just mean jews that want their own country

morris acknowledges the bad that was done in the war that led to the naqba, but saw it as the only option where the palestinians would never settle for peace and hadn't done for 20 years

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

No it doesn't, as discussed at length in the first section you didn't read twice. You have no clue what you're talking about. It's not a copypasta if I'm the one who read all the sources I sourced and provided relevant paragraphs and links all of which I've personally read, genius.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 55 minutes ago (1 children)

what is discussed at length? palestinians not making peace?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 24 minutes ago (1 children)

Maybe read it before you try to argue stuff that's already within the damn reply

https://lemmy.world/comment/15619463

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 minutes ago

what exactly in what i said is discussed at length?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

depends on the kind of anti-zionism

"destroy israel" for example is genocidal

palestinians and israeli's have been trying to genocide eachother for about a hundred years

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

palestinians and israeli's have been trying to genocide eachother for about a hundred years

That's completely false and a common hasbara talking point to justify the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

The Concept of Transfer in Zionist Political Thought goes back to 1882

Zionism’s aims in Palestine, its deeply-held conviction that the Land of Israel belonged exclusively to the Jewish people as a whole, and the idea of Palestine’s “civilizational barrenness" or “emptiness” against the background of European imperialist ideologies all converged in the logical conclusion that the native population should make way for thenewcomers.

The idea that the Palestinian Arabs must find a place for themselves elsewhere was articulated early on. Indeed, the founder of the movement, Theodor Herzl, provided an early reference to transfer even before he formally outlined his theory of Zionist rebirth in his Judenstat.

An 1895 entry in his diary provides in embryonic form many of the elements that were to be demonstrated repeatedly in the Zionist quest for solutions to the “Arab problem ”-the idea of dealing with state governments over the heads of the indigenous population, Jewish acquisition of property that would be inalienable, “Hebrew Land" and “Hebrew Labor,” and the removal of the native population.

Partition

The Zionists were tireless in their efforts to shape the Commission's proposals, meeting not only with the Com­ mission members themselves, but with statesmen, cabinet ministers, members of parliament, and senior officials at the Foreign and Colonial Office with whom the Commission members were likely to consult before formulating their recommendations.15 At these meetings the idea of a popu­lation transfer was promoted in conjunction with the parti­tion of the country, the partition idea apparently was first suggested by a member of the Commission itself. Professor Reginald Coupland, during a private meeting with Weizmann in Palestine. The prospect of official British recognition- hitherto steadfastly denied-of Jewish sovereignty and state­ hood, even in only part of Palestine, represented a tremen­ dous, and at that stage unhoped for, advance for the Zionist movement. Given the demographic realities at the time, whatever boundaries might be devised for partition would inevitably result in large numbers of Arabs and even greater expanses of Arab-owned land becoming part of whatever Jewish state would be carved out. Thus, the notion of transfer was a natural concommitant to the partition idea. Evidence sug­ gests that the proposal of Arab transfer that was ultimately made by the Royal Commission originated from, and had been secretly conveyed by, top Jewish Agency leaders, including Ben-Gurion, Shertok, and weizmann. As early as the Jewish Agency Executive meeting in October, Ben- Gurion had indicated his intention to raise the issue: “if the Peel Commission and the London government accept [the idea of transfer to Transjordan], we will remove the land problem from the agenda.’

  • Simha Flapan - The Birth of Israel Myths and Realities

Morris asserted that the onset of the fighting between Israel and the Arab armies that entered the country on the day the British Mandate ended, May 15, 1948, was the main reason for what he called the “Birth of the Palestinian refugee problem.” I have argued that it was not the war itself, since half of those who became refugees—hundreds of thousands of Palestinians—had been expelled before it had even commenced. Moreover, I claimed that the war was initiated by Israel in order to secure the historical opportunity to expel the Palestinians.19 The idea that the Palestinians left voluntarily is not the only false assumption associated with the 1948 war. There are three others that are often aired to explain away the events of that year. The first is that the Palestinians are to be blamed for what happened to them since they rejected the UN partition plan of November 1947. This allegation ignores the colonialist nature of the Zionist movement. What is clear is that the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians can in no way be justified as a “punishment” for their rejecting a UN peace plan that was devised without any consultation with the Palestinians themselves.

  • Ilan Pappe - Ten Myths About Israel - Ch 5

Under Occupation

Hamas began twenty years into the occupation during the first Intifada, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.

Hamas 1988 Charter and Revised 2017 Charter

The 1988 Charter, which is certainly unreasonable in its fundamentalism with Sharia Law and is antisemitic, does not call for the extermination of all Jewish People. Hamas wants an end to Israel as an Apartheid State, not an extermination of all Israelis. Under Ahmed Yassin in the 1990's, truces were offered in exchange for Israeli to withdrawal from Gaza and the West Bank to the 1967 borders. The 2017 Revised charter explicitly accepts a Two-State Solution of the 1967 Borders. Check Article 7 and 13 of the 1988 Charter to see yourself, compare it to Article 20 and 24-26 in the revised charter.

The slogan From the River to the Sea is about Palestinian liberation that started in the 60s by the PLO for a democratic secular state, not Genocide. The Syrian leader Hafez al-Assad in 1966 maybe, but he's not Palestinian.

History of Hamas supported by Netanyahu since 2012

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

morris doesn't say that palestine belongs to the jews, he quite clearly states lots of people have lived there over the years mostly under muslim empires but also a jewish country that was ethnically cleansed by the romans

oh and hamas started with the aim of destroying israel. genocide

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Like I said, he is a Zionist who justifies the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, as you can clearly see in both the previous quote and the one I just sent to your other comment.

oh and hamas started with the aim of destroying israel. genocide

Again, as I pointed out in the last section of the previous reply, "destroying Israel" has always meant ending the Apartheid and Settler Colonialist Occupation of Zionism. It has never meant the Genocide of Jewish people nor Israelis. That is complete projection from the mentality of the occupiers who have been ethnically cleansing Palestinians for more than 76 years.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

lol from the Hamas Covenant 1988

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it

destroy and obliterate could easily be interpreted as defensive, progressive action, let's all just get along, right?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

JFC, that's discussed at length in the section you didn't read twice

[–] [email protected] 0 points 54 minutes ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 24 minutes ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 minutes ago* (last edited 3 minutes ago)

so they accepted the 1967 borders 2017

congratulations, only 50 years too late, after 50 years of attacks

and then went mental in 2023

these guys really have peace in mind