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Following a meeting with world leaders, Starmer has announced a £1.6bn financing package to Ukraine, the creation of a "Coalition of the Willing", and that a deal to be presented to Trump. He has emphasised:

  • The importance of the US's participation in the coalition
  • His trust in the US as an ongoing ally to Europe
  • His confidence that a deal will be reached
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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (14 children)

I mean this doesn't sound like any forward movement at all, this sounds like nothing. This sounds like a plan predicated on Trump becoming a completely different person overnight, and brokering a deal with Russia that can be trusted, laugh with me

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (11 children)

I think there is a lot more to it than what is being presented. We're getting the "carrot" version of things, there will almost certainly be a "stick" that will be presented, and Starmer will outline the grave consequences of the USA not cooperating.

It was interesting that Starmer seemed so confident that Trump would agree. This means either he's hugely bluffing to put on a show, or the nice guy show to Trump is over and they can get him to bend by force.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (8 children)

with so many foreign troops fighting for russia in ukraine, there is zero justification for european troops not to be fighting with the ukranians as well. zero. every day that uk & france aren't mobilzing and deploying troops to ukraine is just more european stalling until complete abandonment

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That would be risky. Could easily trigger a world war.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

sure could, but if russia is using foreign troops to fight and kill european ukranians it already is by definition

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Well yes but it's a bit different if you have north Koreans Vs Ukrainians or a world war where Russia moves into Poland and China into Taiwan.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

It's really only different for two reasons:

  1. That side already has access to nukes.
  2. Russian propaganda.

France and the UK could absolutely dedicate expeditionary forces.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago

Russia isn't in any way a threat to expand their invasion. If they could simultaneously invade Poland they wouldn't be struggling so hard to reclaim their own territory, let alone conquer Ukraine. China is the one powerful and expansive enough to worry about.

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