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Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.

Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.

During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.

The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”

The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

What a shit show...

This is the weakness of modern democracies... You, as Putin, can just wait for 4 years and there will maybe be an idiot in power, who.ruins everything done before.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago

Biden is at fault here too though. He was way too timid in his support for Ukraine, slow rolling aid and self-imposing all kinds of imaginary red lines. For more than two years he acted as if he was going to be president forever, with vapid statements like "we will support Ukraine for as long as it takes", and didn't take into account that there was a good chance that the next president would again be a buffoon who would try everything to undo previous policies.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

It's the whole paradox of tolerance, on a slightly different level.

A democratic society cannot allow non-democractic elements such as Trump to use the democratic process. By it's very nature. People will then say "but it's democracy, I should be able to choose whatever I want", yes, except choosing against democracy. Which is by definition not a choice that can be available.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 minutes ago

Thanks, gonna say that to people now

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Better chance than maybe when you can use social media to influence the outcome