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Thank you for asking, sincerely, but if Internet strangers tear into me for just having my comments have licensing footer text, there's no way I'm going to start stating any of my real issues that I'm dealing with, for them to judge.
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I support you in wanting to post whatever text you want that isn't hurting other people. I do not believe your footer text is hurting other people, so you should be able to post it.
However, I find it very annoying to read through comments and continuously have to re-read your footer because I believe it is text you are intending for your audience to read on the topic on the thread. This is my problem though, not yours.
So my solution is to block just your footer text from rendering in my browser. Using uBlock Origin I've added the following filter to my browser:
This completely removes your footer from all of your posts across the entirety of Lemmy.world while leaving the rest of your posts intact.
I believe you would support this action because you've communicated its for consumption by corporations and AI and not other readers of Lemmy. This may also be helpful to you, because you can refer other people like me that hate looking at your footer all the time. You get to keep your footer, and we don't have to ever see it again. Have a great day!
This is not true.
The license declaration is supposed to be communicating to all readers, as it lets others know that my content is licensed for free use for open source purposes.
It's not just to prevent for-profit usage, it's also to notify that it's available for non-profit usage.
Also, generally speaking, there may be legal issues with stripping a license declaration from content.
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Well I've read it once, and thats all I'll ever need to. Message received! Now we both get what we want. I don't need to read it ever again, and you can keep posting it, I'll just never see it.
I'm not stripping it. Its still there. I'm just not rendering it to make it visible on my screen.
I'm not advocating that you shouldn't do what you want with your own ublock origin settings.
Aka, you do you.
Thanks! I'm saying the same to you, and offering you something to point to for others that get on your case about your footer.
I bookmarked your comment, to refer others to it when they're getting pissed off at me.
I don't know if it'd be easier than just telling them to block me, but at least now they'll have a choice.
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Really not trying to be rude, but it's like going out dressed up like a clown, and then wondering why no one takes you seriously.
The person dressed as a clown could still have cancer, but people aren't gonna ask about your health because you're dressed like a clown. Perception sets expectations.
To a lot of us, the licensing text is silly and superfluous, sorry. The courts the world over prioritize corporations over individuals and if you try to sue an AI company for scraping your comments... no offense but you'll probably lose unless you're a secret billionaire. That's why it's silly and superfluous, because the likelihood of you actually being able to protect them as intellectual property is near zero.
You literally put it in every comment, and thus, people look at you like you're dressed like a clown.
You're defeatist attitude, and being so readily willing to give up your rights and protections, is disturbing to see.
Metaphorically speaking, you don't have to suck corporate penis automatically. It's okay to push back, even if you fail, at least you can look at yourself in the mirror the next morning.
Believe more in yourself, and of those other citizens around you. Don't give in to the despair.
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It's not a defeatist attitude, it's that we have fundamentally different views on copyright and intellectual property rights.
I didn't want to get into that part because why argue when we're clearly on different pages, but since you want to call it defeatist and telling me I'm sucking corporate dick instead of wondering why I feel differently, I guess I'll give it a go.
-Guy Debord, Society of the Spectacle, 1968
I was influenced in my thought on this kind of stuff by people like Debord and Mark Hosler from Negativland.
To mangle a quote from Hosler from a video I haven't been able to find online in almost 20 years:
"If you want to have control over your art: Keep it to yourself. Keep it in your home. Don't show it to people."
As Dawkins theorized with memetics, when an idea is accepted into a new mind, the idea propagates and changes as it moves between people. Once that idea has been ingested by someone else's mind, you can't take it out of their mind again. They are already generating new ideas based on the meme of your art, thought, ideas. Copying each other is literally just how human communication works, and all this work to lay claim over it is at the very best superfluous and at the very worst a gross instinct of domination and control as opposed to sharing.
Creative Commons doesn't even offer the license that Negativland helped develop anymore.
Am I giving up my rights or am I living in the actual real world of how real human communication actually works? If I wanted control over these ideas, I wouldn't bother sharing them.
So the TL;DR of your reply is, that it's okay to plagerise, that Humanity needs Corporations to do so to thrive. Gotcha.
For the record, and to repeat myself again, my license allows open-source/nonprofit usage of my comments by Humanity to train their LLMs.
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Thanks for the purposeful misreading and at no point making an attempt to engage with a different set of ideas. We're done here and I will be shitting on you and your stupid fucking license vociferously from here on out because you're an arrogant egotistical asshole.
Hard disagree. And I stand by what I've said.
It would probably be easier (and more mature) to just use the block functionality, but you do you, I guess. 🤷♂️
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You can hard disagree all you want, you literally dismissed the ideas without even considering them, but sure, you do you too, buddy.
Thats not true. I stand by what I've said.
At this point we've derailed the original purpose of this post enough, maybe we both just move on. It's obvious we won't agree on the matter.
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The only person derailing at this point is the person who refuses to engage with other ideas and just repeats "I stand by what I said."
You obviously did not make any attempt to understand Debord's quote at all if all you took from it is "plagiarism is okay." Maybe pick up a fucking book sometime, dude.
I'm telling you straight to your (virtual) face, that I read and processed what you opined on, as well as the quotes you included.
I mean no insult to you, but I definately disagree with you on the interpretation of the quotes you included.
And thats ok, well all see things from our own perspectives.
That looks like a justification to allow plagiarism to me, thats its ok out of necessity to do.
And I believe my interpretation is the most accurate one that most would take out of reading that whole quote, especially in the context of the conversation we two are having right now. 🤷
And for the record, I completely disagree with Debord based on his quote you supplied.
Again, I'm not trying to trash your belief system, I'm just disagreeing with it strongly, and pushing back against it.
Lets just leave this as agree-to-disagree, and move on, ok?
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Reading their arguments for that silly disclaimer, and their purposeful disregard for any of the points you’re making… Your clown analogy is extremely on-point.
Your footer rules, don't let them haters win!
Second
I want to steal that footer
Here you go...
[~This~ ~comment~ ~is~ ~licensed~ ~under~ ~CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0~](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en)Thanks, I appreciate the support. And don't worry I won't. This isn't my first rodeo with those who don't like it. I just wish there was more moderation on Lemmy to combat it, so I can spend more time just interacting with others on posts content itself.
My point was just to say that while I'm sure there's good and decent human beings who may disagree but be able to debate issues online with each other, there's a whole other bunch that would rather just see things burn, if it doesn't line up exactly to their personal belief system, and that makes it problematic for someone to expose their inner issues to everyone else, even when they desperately need their help.
And that's before throwing in conflict AI bots, and astroturfers trying to generate activity, that just pollutes the waters even more.
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it doesn't do anything though lol
Safe Harbor laws say otherwise. And Law trump ToS.
And I do believe that licenses will be enforced at some point, right now we're still in the Wild Wild West portion of things. Doesn't mean I don't want to lay down my markers now.
Also, I specifically want to make sure my comments are available for training for open source projects, which is what the license does.
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People focus so much on “but it’s not enforceable” and “you don’t own what you say on the Internet” that they forget it’s a statement of intention.
You’re sharing your support, however nominal, for good causes. I see nothing wrong with that ¯\(ツ)/¯
People used to put goofy-ass sign-offs on comments back in forum days; a couple extra lines of text that don’t hurt anybody shouldn’t be an issue.
You keep doing you, comrade. /gen /pos
My inner tinfoil hat persona thinks its just corporate bots/astroturfers trying to shape the narratived away from every adding a license to their comments, as it truly does hold legal power.
Regular people either agree to different degress, or think its harmless and don't care. Its only a few that REALLY REALLY REALLY get bent out of shape about it, for strange reasons (which goes back to fueling my inner tinfoil hat persona).
Exactly, or moreso, additionally. My license allows for open-source/non-profit usage of my content, giving back to everybody else.
I just don't believe that Corporations should be able to make money off of my content without compensating me for it, as that is one of the fundamental tenants of Capitalism.
Thanks for your support, its appreciated. o7
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