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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Absolute bullshit. I called drag out and ONLY drag. I made no mention of neopronouns or even said anything remotely dismissive of pronouns as I am a huge supporter of all of it.

Yet I was banned because I called drag a shit tier troll that was making a mockery of the trans community.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Your comments were removed. You aren't instance banned

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Community banned as I recall. And even removing the comments because I called them a troll and accused them of mocking the trans community was bullshit in light of the recent acknowledgment that they are- in fact, a troll.

They went to where they knew they could take advantage of the rules that protect the trans community- and then weaponized it to create drama and get shit removed.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm an instance admin. I don't issue community bans. I issue instance bans. If someone community banned you, it wasn't me.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I can’t check because blahaj modlogs won’t even load for me without timing out, but my point remains. I was banned/had comments removed for calling out a troll. Who did it is irrelevant.

You guys circled the wagons around a known troll and went scorched-earth on anyone that so much as said they weren’t being genuine.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The policy came from me. It's an instance level policy that you were never banned for.

I did remove some of your comments, and I will do that again if I become aware of misgendering, even if it's accidental. But it didn't get you banned then, and unless you start deliberately misgendering folk, it won't get you banned now either.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It’s not misgendering when it’s a troll that is mocking the trans community. Show me where I misgendered someone that wasn’t trolling your instance.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Let's say a troll comes along and uses neopronouns to undermine trans rights.

If your response to that is "You're a troll, I don't give a fuck about your pronouns", then you've given the troll exactly the thing they're trying to achieve, whilst also telling any trans people reading your posts that you only think their identity applies as long as they're well behaved. Which is to say, you don't hurt the troll, but actively encourage them, whilst also hurting the acceptance of gender diverse folk.

The only correct response to a troll in that scenario is to respect their professed identity, whilst banning them for trolling. Respecting someone's identity isn't a green light for ignoring anything else they do. But it sure is easy to conflate if you want to stir up a bit of drama at the trans communities expense.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

I don't know how you have the energy to keep trying to educate people who don't want to understand! Massively respect you

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Whatever makes you fell better. You protected a well-known troll when everyone tried to tell you- and you continued to protect them when proof was provided.

For the record: People can be thoroughly disgusted by a troll embedding themselves in your community as an “attack helicopter”- and simultaneously support the trans community. It’s called “nuance,” and it’s something one would assume an admin would have a firm understanding of.

Making a blanket protection around something and then blindly doling out bans and removals without understanding that people can and will take advantage of this can only be described as piss-poor moderation.

Because as it stands, by your rules. I can say that I identify as a 1972 Trans Am and demand that people cal me PontiacFucker and you will have to defend me against those that would accuse me of being disingenuous…. Right?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

embedding themselves in your community as an “attack helicopter”-

You'd benefit from doing some research on Isabel Fall.

without understanding that people can and will take advantage of this

Normalising the idea that only well behaved trans folk deserve to have their identity respected hurts the trans community far more than the actions of a theoretical troll slipping through the cracks occasionally.

can say that I identify as a 1972 Trans Am and demand that people cal me PontiacFucker and you will have to defend me against those that would accuse me of being disingenuous…. Right?

Yep. I'd also ban you for trolling at the same time however, because your actions would make it clear that your goal here is to stir up drama in response to a moderation approach you don't agree with.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You'd benefit from doing some research on Isabel Fall.

That sounds interesting and I want to look into it.
Reading the Wikipedia page I want to ask, what part of it specifically are you referring to?
The story itself, or the authors health in response to the criticism?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm referring to a trans person using the attack helicopter slur as an act of empowerment and reclamation, and getting turned on by the community for it.

The point being that she looked like a troll to many people, and was attacked for it, but she was not a troll, and the over the top response did more damage than any troll could have done.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

ohh I see. thanks for the explanation!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago

How I wish there was more of this kind of response and attitude in the world.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

That last part is transphobic. No trans person represents the trans community and setting higher standards for trans people than cis people is transphobic. You can call them out for being a troll, but using someone’s gender identity in an insult is always transphobic.