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Tesla Inc. (formerly Tesla Motors) is an energy + technology company originally from California and currently headquartered in Austin, Texas.

They produce electric vehicles (with a heavy focus on autonomy), batteries, and energy/solar products for the grid.

Tesla’s mission is to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable energy.

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Report: Elon's cybertrucks are deadlier than infamous Ford Pintos (www.motherjones.com)

submitted 2 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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It's just the latest reason to be skeptical of the car's safety record.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So, Wikipedia says the Ford Pinto sold 3,173,491 units. This article says there were 27 Ford Pinto fatalities. The article also says the Cybertruck sold 34,000 units and there have been 5 fatalities.

Your point 2 aside, you're not trying to argue that (5/34,000) / (27/3,173,491) isn't approximately 17, right?

(Again, point 2 aside) is your point that 5 deaths (or rather 4 deaths if you don't count the guy from point 2) out of 34,000 units isn't a big enough sample size to draw conclusions and that you think it's likely that as more units are sold, the rate won't stay that high and over time the data will average out to a fatality rate less than that of the Ford Pinto?

One more question if I may. Are you a fan of Tesla?

[+] [email protected] -6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

you think it's likely that as more units are sold, the rate won't stay that high

That would be a prediction of the future that I'm not prepared to make, but I do suspect that will end up being the case. Assuming they ever even sell a million of them before ending production. All I will comment on is today, and the idea that the first 34k Pintos probably had a much higher fatality rate than the last 3,139,491.

Are you a fan of Tesla?

I'm a fan of rational thought processes and statistics. Something I think very few people are capable of when it comes to anything having to do with Musk. The fact that Elon's name is even in the headline leads me to believe that's the case here as well. When was the last time you heard about "Farley's Ford" or "Rawlinson's Lucid"? If you're a "journalist", you just can't go wrong with anything to do with Elon.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Assuming they ever even sell a million of them before ending production.

You don't think there's anything magical about the number "a million", though, correct? Just "enough to form a sufficiently good sample size" (whatever your threshold might be.)

Are you a fan of Tesla?

I’m a fan of rational thought processes and statistics...

I can't help but notice you dodged my question.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You don't think there's anything magical about the number "a million", though, correct?

Sure.

I can't help but notice you dodged my question.

I didn't dodge it, I chose not to engage because you're looking to attack my character and derail the conversation rather than discussing the merit of my statements.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

For those spending this much time explaining that an N=4 being statistically conclusive (LOL), perhaps your time would have been better used if you looked into how badly the pinto data was cherry picked (1626 deaths in 2.5 years):

(sauce: https://www.autosafety.org/wp-content/uploads/import/ODIPinto.pdf Page 9.)