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I mean... I kinda get it, but nowadays it's starting to get absurd.

(EDIT: This was supposed to be a "blow air out my nose and get on with my life" meme...)

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (70 children)

You may or may not think China is "authoritarian" but how on earth are they fascist?

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 day ago (24 children)

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

Far right? Hm, maybe not. Otherwise: Check, check, quasi-check, check, check, check, ...

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (15 children)

China has become a psudo Capitalist country in its quest for world domination.

Capitalism goes hand in hand with right wing extremism

I think China would have to do a lot more for the avg person before they could be considered socialist or communist again

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think China would have to do a lot more for the avg person before they could be considered socialist or communist again

Within the last five years China completely eliminated the worst category of poverty in their borders. I'd say they are currently actively engaged in doing a lot more for the average person than most countries.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

You could say the same about every developed nation. It took a bit more for most nations, but these nations had to literally invent concepts like public health and education, welfare and even socialism.

But yeah, every western European country has already eliminated the worst kind of poverty and on average European citizens are better off than Chinese citizens. Working conditions, working hours and safety laws in Europe are much better than the Chinese average.

The US is doing its own thing with extreme capitalism, and I'm against that, but let's not kid ourselves, China has taken a lot of pages from the US's economic model

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

You could say the same about every developed nation

"Developed nation" is a propaganda term designed to make you think that the overexploited nations of the world are on some mythical path that will lead them to a first world quality of life.

every western European country has already eliminated the worst kind of poverty and on average European citizens are better off than Chinese citizens

This is an apples-to-oranges comparison. Europe is the beneficiary of hundreds of years of imperialism and accumulation and the ongoing system of global unequal exchange, whereas China is a former victim of said imperialism that has pulled themselves out of the muck with their own workers' labor. China is better off compared to India, which achieved independence not long afterward but has fallen far behind in every single development index because of their failure to overthrow capital.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

European workers didn't get their rights from being imperialist, they fought hard against the imperialist elites to get where they are now, and China's elites are being just as imperialist today as any European or American elite has been since forever.

China and India is apples to oranges. There are a myriad of reasons why their paths diverged. There are other East Asian countries that did better than China way before China, while starting from a much more similar point (or even a worse point).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If you can take the Chinese Government for their word. Which I can't

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I'm sorry but a dictator for life is a dealbreaker.

I'll admit that a truly dedicated and benevolent dictator could run a good society, there are a few examples in the past too.

But it's going to collapse once daddy dies like every dictatorship.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago

What makes you think Xi is a dictator? If your answer is "because that's the vibe I get from American Government propaganda", then you should reassess the things you think you know about the world. The truth is that China has a very vibrant and active democracy that is much more responsive to the demands of its people than that of most other nations, and Xi is merely the one currently at the top of that democratic system.

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