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[+] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (19 children)
  • [–] [S] -1 points 2 years ago (18 children)

    If you are an atheist, Step 11 makes no sense if you don't substitute "God" and it also makes no sense if you do.

    So if you want to acknowledge a hard truth, acknowledge that is an issue.

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  • [+] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (17 children)
  • [–] [S] 0 points 2 years ago (16 children)

    Yes, as I have said to others, I understand that if you totally rewrite Step 11 it can reply to atheists.

    But to an atheist, the lines are in no way hazy between prayer and meditation.

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  • [+] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)
  • [–] [S] 0 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    Yes, yet again, I understand that if you rewrite things, they change.

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  • [+] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)
  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 years ago (12 children)

    Sure sounds like it is losing its original purpose to me- to bring people closer to the Christian god, since the 12 steps were formed from a Christian prayer group.

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  • [+] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)
  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 years ago (10 children)

    I'm looking at it as an atheist and it absolutely looks like a human trying to communicate to a god to me. I have no idea how to interpret "improve our conscious contact with God" any other way.

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  • [+] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)
  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 years ago (8 children)

    I did exactly what you asked me to do and now you're saying I did it wrong.

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  • [+] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)
  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 years ago (6 children)

    I already told you what I didn't agree with and why I didn't agree with it several times, so I have no idea why you keep asking me over and over as if I will change what I said.

    I even did what you wanted.

    It feels like you just are insistent that I must agree with you.

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  • [+] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)
  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 years ago (4 children)

    I said a hell of a lot more than that.

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  • [+] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    Does it matter? Whatever I said was stupid and worthless anyway.

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