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[–] [email protected] 50 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

In Western Europe at least back to the early medieval period it was common for anyone who wasn’t nobility to have their first child around 22. The younger you are the more likely you’re going to have serious (fatal, back then) complications. It was the nobility that was marrying off barely pubescent kids.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 18 hours ago

It was the nobility that was marrying off barely pubescent kids.

Same as it ever was.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 17 hours ago

Could we say (for no other reason than I'm stoned and it sounds good) the rough average mother-age is 18-ish? Then there would be roughly ~110 mothers since Jesus cheated and respawned for our sins.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

What was it like outside of Western Europe?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

No idea, I'm not as read up on that. It would shock me if it was significantly different just because risk of death from complications is a hard biological line the younger you get, pre-modern medicine.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

There are definitely cultures who have practiced polygyny to get around this issue. Some still do today, for example in many different countries in Africa where people still practice a pastoral life.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't see how polygyny gets around the issue of risk of death from pregnancy.

Polygyny would get around the issue of men getting killed.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Polygyny is where one man has many wives.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Edit: This first point was wrong, but the second point still stands.

Polygyny wouldn't solve the aforementioned problem if we suppose that the birth rate of men and women is roughly the same. If one man has many wives, some of whom even die, then several other men won't have any wives.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The birth rate of XY babies is actually slightly higher than XX babies. On the other hand, babies with higher testosterone tend to have weaker immune systems and so are more susceptible to infant mortality from disease.

Otherwise, I’m not sure what the problem is with men who don’t have wives? They simply don’t reproduce. Throughout history men have reproduced at a lower rate than women. In polygynous cultures it’s only the very powerful and wealthy men who have many wives. The poor and powerless men have few or none.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Huh, really? I thought there were slightly more women than men, but maybe that depends on the economies etc.

As for your second point, yes, exactly. They don't reproduce. So it doesn't matter if many men get one wife each, or if a few men get many wives each, the number of pregnancies won't change, and the number of pregnancy-related deaths won't change either. So (again), I don't see how polygyny helps in this situation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

I guess I’ve forgotten what the problem was exactly. High maternal mortality? How is that not solved by having many redundant wives?