▲ 78 ▼ Video game publishers are starting to use "anti-DEI" as a marketing meme (www.rockpapershotgun.com) submitted 2 years ago by ConstableJelly@midwest.social to c/gaming@beehaw.org 33 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nawor3565@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 2 years ago (1 child) Did you even read the article? DEI is about hiring practices, not game content. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 7 points 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] bogpunk@lemmy.ca 36 points 2 years ago (1 child) You don't care about the people or industry producing them as long as you get shiny new product? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] melp@beehaw.org 26 points 2 years ago Cool story bro. Anyway ... "Numerous studies demonstrate that without fair hiring practices in place, certain groups of people are often favored over others due to unconscious biases. A study by the University of Chicago and the University of California, Berkeley found that applicants with white-sounding names received 9% more callbacks compared to those with African-American-sounding names, despite having similar qualifications[1]. In some companies, this gap widened to nearly 19%[1]. Research from the UK showed that white candidates were favored in about 47% of hiring tests, with ethnic minority candidates needing to send twice as many applications to receive the same number of callbacks[6]. A more recent study by the University of Oxford found that candidates from minority ethnic backgrounds had to send 80% more applications to get the same results as white British applicants[6]. Gender bias has also been documented. A study on science faculty hiring revealed that identical applications randomly assigned male or female names resulted in men being rated as more competent and hireable, and even offered higher starting salaries[6]. These biases persist even in organizations committed to diversity. Research suggests that firms may unconsciously favor candidates from privileged backgrounds, such as those able to take unpaid internships, which introduces socioeconomic bias[7]. Without fair hiring practices, these studies consistently show that white candidates, males, and those from higher socioeconomic backgrounds tend to be favored in the hiring process, highlighting the need for interventions to reduce bias and promote equity in recruitment." Citations: [1] https://eliinc.com/unconscious-bias-hiring-study/ [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/AskConservatives/comments/1afg9v3/does_diversity_hiringdei_make_you_doubt_if/ [3] https://www.northwestern.edu/provost/policies-procedures/faculty-searches/resources/unconscious-bias-research.pdf [4] https://www.beapplied.com/post/fair-hiring-your-go-to-manual-for-de-biased-recruitment [5] https://vidcruiter.com/video-interviewing/hiring-biases/ [6] https://www.beapplied.com/post/recruitment-bias-report-how-bias-affects-hiring-and-how-to-remove-it [7] https://hbr.org/2021/02/research-how-companies-committed-to-diverse-hiring-still-fail [8] https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/are_merit_based_systems_actually_fair [9] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4554714/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] bogpunk@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's the thing though, these biases against people based on their ethnicity and gender already exist, whether the people doing the hiring realize it or not. The best people may lose out on job opportunities because of these qualities. The whole point of DEI is to compensate for these biases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheRtRevKaiser@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hi. You've gotten some very good responses from the community so I'm going to leave the thread up for now, but please be aware that pushing more will likely result in removal or a temp ban. Thanks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Skelemental@mastodon.gamedev.place 3 points 2 years ago @PlainSimpleGarak @TheRtRevKaiser one white dude to what I suspect is another: be better than this. You get to say you don’t care because of many privileges you enjoy. Most everyone else has to care about this because of how it affects them. No one is even asking you to champion the cause but could you at least not actively be a dick about it? permalink fedilink source parent [–] alyaza@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago take a week off, you were told the issue politely and this is not an acceptable way to respond permalink fedilink source parent [–] TwiddleTwaddle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago* "Guess that minority shouldn't work there then. It's a good thing we have fair, gainful, and plentiful employment where every company with a hiring bias is perfectly balanced out by another company with the opposite bias. I sure am glad our perfect egalitarian society ensures that the minority's kids are fed clothed and housed until they find work at an exactly comparable company - with the same exact pay - that hires minorities." permalink fedilink source parent [–] bogpunk@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago This isn't unique to any company. This is systemic and pervasive through our entire culture and society. Countering it requires education and effort, not ignoring the problem and experiences of those it effects. The status quo is not a fair playing field. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nawor3565@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 2 years ago* (2 children) That tells me you're either a cishet, white, male, or you're woefully uneducated and selfish. You're totally in favor of development crunch too, aren't you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gyrfalcon@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago While it can be tempting (especially with posts like this one) if you cannot respond to a comment or post that is not be(e)ing nice in a productive manner, please just report it so that a moderator can deal with it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago It’s people like that guy that don’t understand that “bad culture fit” means “minority”. permalink fedilink source parent [+] CTDummy@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nawor3565@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 2 years ago (1 child) Did you even read the article? DEI is about hiring practices, not game content. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 7 points 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] bogpunk@lemmy.ca 36 points 2 years ago (1 child) You don't care about the people or industry producing them as long as you get shiny new product? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] melp@beehaw.org 26 points 2 years ago Cool story bro. Anyway ... "Numerous studies demonstrate that without fair hiring practices in place, certain groups of people are often favored over others due to unconscious biases. A study by the University of Chicago and the University of California, Berkeley found that applicants with white-sounding names received 9% more callbacks compared to those with African-American-sounding names, despite having similar qualifications[1]. In some companies, this gap widened to nearly 19%[1]. Research from the UK showed that white candidates were favored in about 47% of hiring tests, with ethnic minority candidates needing to send twice as many applications to receive the same number of callbacks[6]. A more recent study by the University of Oxford found that candidates from minority ethnic backgrounds had to send 80% more applications to get the same results as white British applicants[6]. Gender bias has also been documented. A study on science faculty hiring revealed that identical applications randomly assigned male or female names resulted in men being rated as more competent and hireable, and even offered higher starting salaries[6]. These biases persist even in organizations committed to diversity. Research suggests that firms may unconsciously favor candidates from privileged backgrounds, such as those able to take unpaid internships, which introduces socioeconomic bias[7]. Without fair hiring practices, these studies consistently show that white candidates, males, and those from higher socioeconomic backgrounds tend to be favored in the hiring process, highlighting the need for interventions to reduce bias and promote equity in recruitment." Citations: [1] https://eliinc.com/unconscious-bias-hiring-study/ [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/AskConservatives/comments/1afg9v3/does_diversity_hiringdei_make_you_doubt_if/ [3] https://www.northwestern.edu/provost/policies-procedures/faculty-searches/resources/unconscious-bias-research.pdf [4] https://www.beapplied.com/post/fair-hiring-your-go-to-manual-for-de-biased-recruitment [5] https://vidcruiter.com/video-interviewing/hiring-biases/ [6] https://www.beapplied.com/post/recruitment-bias-report-how-bias-affects-hiring-and-how-to-remove-it [7] https://hbr.org/2021/02/research-how-companies-committed-to-diverse-hiring-still-fail [8] https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/are_merit_based_systems_actually_fair [9] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4554714/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] bogpunk@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's the thing though, these biases against people based on their ethnicity and gender already exist, whether the people doing the hiring realize it or not. The best people may lose out on job opportunities because of these qualities. The whole point of DEI is to compensate for these biases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheRtRevKaiser@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hi. You've gotten some very good responses from the community so I'm going to leave the thread up for now, but please be aware that pushing more will likely result in removal or a temp ban. Thanks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Skelemental@mastodon.gamedev.place 3 points 2 years ago @PlainSimpleGarak @TheRtRevKaiser one white dude to what I suspect is another: be better than this. You get to say you don’t care because of many privileges you enjoy. Most everyone else has to care about this because of how it affects them. No one is even asking you to champion the cause but could you at least not actively be a dick about it? permalink fedilink source parent [–] alyaza@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago take a week off, you were told the issue politely and this is not an acceptable way to respond permalink fedilink source parent [–] TwiddleTwaddle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago* "Guess that minority shouldn't work there then. It's a good thing we have fair, gainful, and plentiful employment where every company with a hiring bias is perfectly balanced out by another company with the opposite bias. I sure am glad our perfect egalitarian society ensures that the minority's kids are fed clothed and housed until they find work at an exactly comparable company - with the same exact pay - that hires minorities." permalink fedilink source parent [–] bogpunk@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago This isn't unique to any company. This is systemic and pervasive through our entire culture and society. Countering it requires education and effort, not ignoring the problem and experiences of those it effects. The status quo is not a fair playing field. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nawor3565@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 2 years ago* (2 children) That tells me you're either a cishet, white, male, or you're woefully uneducated and selfish. You're totally in favor of development crunch too, aren't you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gyrfalcon@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago While it can be tempting (especially with posts like this one) if you cannot respond to a comment or post that is not be(e)ing nice in a productive manner, please just report it so that a moderator can deal with it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago It’s people like that guy that don’t understand that “bad culture fit” means “minority”. permalink fedilink source parent [+] CTDummy@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 7 points 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] bogpunk@lemmy.ca 36 points 2 years ago (1 child) You don't care about the people or industry producing them as long as you get shiny new product? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] melp@beehaw.org 26 points 2 years ago Cool story bro. Anyway ... "Numerous studies demonstrate that without fair hiring practices in place, certain groups of people are often favored over others due to unconscious biases. A study by the University of Chicago and the University of California, Berkeley found that applicants with white-sounding names received 9% more callbacks compared to those with African-American-sounding names, despite having similar qualifications[1]. In some companies, this gap widened to nearly 19%[1]. Research from the UK showed that white candidates were favored in about 47% of hiring tests, with ethnic minority candidates needing to send twice as many applications to receive the same number of callbacks[6]. A more recent study by the University of Oxford found that candidates from minority ethnic backgrounds had to send 80% more applications to get the same results as white British applicants[6]. Gender bias has also been documented. A study on science faculty hiring revealed that identical applications randomly assigned male or female names resulted in men being rated as more competent and hireable, and even offered higher starting salaries[6]. These biases persist even in organizations committed to diversity. Research suggests that firms may unconsciously favor candidates from privileged backgrounds, such as those able to take unpaid internships, which introduces socioeconomic bias[7]. Without fair hiring practices, these studies consistently show that white candidates, males, and those from higher socioeconomic backgrounds tend to be favored in the hiring process, highlighting the need for interventions to reduce bias and promote equity in recruitment." Citations: [1] https://eliinc.com/unconscious-bias-hiring-study/ [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/AskConservatives/comments/1afg9v3/does_diversity_hiringdei_make_you_doubt_if/ [3] https://www.northwestern.edu/provost/policies-procedures/faculty-searches/resources/unconscious-bias-research.pdf [4] https://www.beapplied.com/post/fair-hiring-your-go-to-manual-for-de-biased-recruitment [5] https://vidcruiter.com/video-interviewing/hiring-biases/ [6] https://www.beapplied.com/post/recruitment-bias-report-how-bias-affects-hiring-and-how-to-remove-it [7] https://hbr.org/2021/02/research-how-companies-committed-to-diverse-hiring-still-fail [8] https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/are_merit_based_systems_actually_fair [9] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4554714/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] bogpunk@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's the thing though, these biases against people based on their ethnicity and gender already exist, whether the people doing the hiring realize it or not. The best people may lose out on job opportunities because of these qualities. The whole point of DEI is to compensate for these biases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheRtRevKaiser@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hi. You've gotten some very good responses from the community so I'm going to leave the thread up for now, but please be aware that pushing more will likely result in removal or a temp ban. Thanks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Skelemental@mastodon.gamedev.place 3 points 2 years ago @PlainSimpleGarak @TheRtRevKaiser one white dude to what I suspect is another: be better than this. You get to say you don’t care because of many privileges you enjoy. Most everyone else has to care about this because of how it affects them. No one is even asking you to champion the cause but could you at least not actively be a dick about it? permalink fedilink source parent [–] alyaza@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago take a week off, you were told the issue politely and this is not an acceptable way to respond permalink fedilink source parent [–] TwiddleTwaddle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago* "Guess that minority shouldn't work there then. It's a good thing we have fair, gainful, and plentiful employment where every company with a hiring bias is perfectly balanced out by another company with the opposite bias. I sure am glad our perfect egalitarian society ensures that the minority's kids are fed clothed and housed until they find work at an exactly comparable company - with the same exact pay - that hires minorities." permalink fedilink source parent [–] bogpunk@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago This isn't unique to any company. This is systemic and pervasive through our entire culture and society. Countering it requires education and effort, not ignoring the problem and experiences of those it effects. The status quo is not a fair playing field. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nawor3565@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 2 years ago* (2 children) That tells me you're either a cishet, white, male, or you're woefully uneducated and selfish. You're totally in favor of development crunch too, aren't you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gyrfalcon@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago While it can be tempting (especially with posts like this one) if you cannot respond to a comment or post that is not be(e)ing nice in a productive manner, please just report it so that a moderator can deal with it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago It’s people like that guy that don’t understand that “bad culture fit” means “minority”. permalink fedilink source parent [+] CTDummy@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bogpunk@lemmy.ca 36 points 2 years ago (1 child) You don't care about the people or industry producing them as long as you get shiny new product? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] melp@beehaw.org 26 points 2 years ago Cool story bro. Anyway ... "Numerous studies demonstrate that without fair hiring practices in place, certain groups of people are often favored over others due to unconscious biases. A study by the University of Chicago and the University of California, Berkeley found that applicants with white-sounding names received 9% more callbacks compared to those with African-American-sounding names, despite having similar qualifications[1]. In some companies, this gap widened to nearly 19%[1]. Research from the UK showed that white candidates were favored in about 47% of hiring tests, with ethnic minority candidates needing to send twice as many applications to receive the same number of callbacks[6]. A more recent study by the University of Oxford found that candidates from minority ethnic backgrounds had to send 80% more applications to get the same results as white British applicants[6]. Gender bias has also been documented. A study on science faculty hiring revealed that identical applications randomly assigned male or female names resulted in men being rated as more competent and hireable, and even offered higher starting salaries[6]. These biases persist even in organizations committed to diversity. Research suggests that firms may unconsciously favor candidates from privileged backgrounds, such as those able to take unpaid internships, which introduces socioeconomic bias[7]. Without fair hiring practices, these studies consistently show that white candidates, males, and those from higher socioeconomic backgrounds tend to be favored in the hiring process, highlighting the need for interventions to reduce bias and promote equity in recruitment." Citations: [1] https://eliinc.com/unconscious-bias-hiring-study/ [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/AskConservatives/comments/1afg9v3/does_diversity_hiringdei_make_you_doubt_if/ [3] https://www.northwestern.edu/provost/policies-procedures/faculty-searches/resources/unconscious-bias-research.pdf [4] https://www.beapplied.com/post/fair-hiring-your-go-to-manual-for-de-biased-recruitment [5] https://vidcruiter.com/video-interviewing/hiring-biases/ [6] https://www.beapplied.com/post/recruitment-bias-report-how-bias-affects-hiring-and-how-to-remove-it [7] https://hbr.org/2021/02/research-how-companies-committed-to-diverse-hiring-still-fail [8] https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/are_merit_based_systems_actually_fair [9] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4554714/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] bogpunk@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's the thing though, these biases against people based on their ethnicity and gender already exist, whether the people doing the hiring realize it or not. The best people may lose out on job opportunities because of these qualities. The whole point of DEI is to compensate for these biases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheRtRevKaiser@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hi. You've gotten some very good responses from the community so I'm going to leave the thread up for now, but please be aware that pushing more will likely result in removal or a temp ban. Thanks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Skelemental@mastodon.gamedev.place 3 points 2 years ago @PlainSimpleGarak @TheRtRevKaiser one white dude to what I suspect is another: be better than this. You get to say you don’t care because of many privileges you enjoy. Most everyone else has to care about this because of how it affects them. No one is even asking you to champion the cause but could you at least not actively be a dick about it? permalink fedilink source parent [–] alyaza@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago take a week off, you were told the issue politely and this is not an acceptable way to respond permalink fedilink source parent [–] TwiddleTwaddle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago* "Guess that minority shouldn't work there then. It's a good thing we have fair, gainful, and plentiful employment where every company with a hiring bias is perfectly balanced out by another company with the opposite bias. I sure am glad our perfect egalitarian society ensures that the minority's kids are fed clothed and housed until they find work at an exactly comparable company - with the same exact pay - that hires minorities." permalink fedilink source parent [–] bogpunk@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago This isn't unique to any company. This is systemic and pervasive through our entire culture and society. Countering it requires education and effort, not ignoring the problem and experiences of those it effects. The status quo is not a fair playing field. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] melp@beehaw.org 26 points 2 years ago Cool story bro. Anyway ... "Numerous studies demonstrate that without fair hiring practices in place, certain groups of people are often favored over others due to unconscious biases. A study by the University of Chicago and the University of California, Berkeley found that applicants with white-sounding names received 9% more callbacks compared to those with African-American-sounding names, despite having similar qualifications[1]. In some companies, this gap widened to nearly 19%[1]. Research from the UK showed that white candidates were favored in about 47% of hiring tests, with ethnic minority candidates needing to send twice as many applications to receive the same number of callbacks[6]. A more recent study by the University of Oxford found that candidates from minority ethnic backgrounds had to send 80% more applications to get the same results as white British applicants[6]. Gender bias has also been documented. A study on science faculty hiring revealed that identical applications randomly assigned male or female names resulted in men being rated as more competent and hireable, and even offered higher starting salaries[6]. These biases persist even in organizations committed to diversity. Research suggests that firms may unconsciously favor candidates from privileged backgrounds, such as those able to take unpaid internships, which introduces socioeconomic bias[7]. Without fair hiring practices, these studies consistently show that white candidates, males, and those from higher socioeconomic backgrounds tend to be favored in the hiring process, highlighting the need for interventions to reduce bias and promote equity in recruitment." Citations: [1] https://eliinc.com/unconscious-bias-hiring-study/ [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/AskConservatives/comments/1afg9v3/does_diversity_hiringdei_make_you_doubt_if/ [3] https://www.northwestern.edu/provost/policies-procedures/faculty-searches/resources/unconscious-bias-research.pdf [4] https://www.beapplied.com/post/fair-hiring-your-go-to-manual-for-de-biased-recruitment [5] https://vidcruiter.com/video-interviewing/hiring-biases/ [6] https://www.beapplied.com/post/recruitment-bias-report-how-bias-affects-hiring-and-how-to-remove-it [7] https://hbr.org/2021/02/research-how-companies-committed-to-diverse-hiring-still-fail [8] https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/are_merit_based_systems_actually_fair [9] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4554714/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] bogpunk@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's the thing though, these biases against people based on their ethnicity and gender already exist, whether the people doing the hiring realize it or not. The best people may lose out on job opportunities because of these qualities. The whole point of DEI is to compensate for these biases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheRtRevKaiser@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hi. You've gotten some very good responses from the community so I'm going to leave the thread up for now, but please be aware that pushing more will likely result in removal or a temp ban. Thanks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Skelemental@mastodon.gamedev.place 3 points 2 years ago @PlainSimpleGarak @TheRtRevKaiser one white dude to what I suspect is another: be better than this. You get to say you don’t care because of many privileges you enjoy. Most everyone else has to care about this because of how it affects them. No one is even asking you to champion the cause but could you at least not actively be a dick about it? permalink fedilink source parent [–] alyaza@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago take a week off, you were told the issue politely and this is not an acceptable way to respond permalink fedilink source parent [–] TwiddleTwaddle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago* "Guess that minority shouldn't work there then. It's a good thing we have fair, gainful, and plentiful employment where every company with a hiring bias is perfectly balanced out by another company with the opposite bias. I sure am glad our perfect egalitarian society ensures that the minority's kids are fed clothed and housed until they find work at an exactly comparable company - with the same exact pay - that hires minorities." permalink fedilink source parent [–] bogpunk@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago This isn't unique to any company. This is systemic and pervasive through our entire culture and society. Countering it requires education and effort, not ignoring the problem and experiences of those it effects. The status quo is not a fair playing field. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] melp@beehaw.org 26 points 2 years ago Cool story bro. Anyway ... "Numerous studies demonstrate that without fair hiring practices in place, certain groups of people are often favored over others due to unconscious biases. A study by the University of Chicago and the University of California, Berkeley found that applicants with white-sounding names received 9% more callbacks compared to those with African-American-sounding names, despite having similar qualifications[1]. In some companies, this gap widened to nearly 19%[1]. Research from the UK showed that white candidates were favored in about 47% of hiring tests, with ethnic minority candidates needing to send twice as many applications to receive the same number of callbacks[6]. A more recent study by the University of Oxford found that candidates from minority ethnic backgrounds had to send 80% more applications to get the same results as white British applicants[6]. Gender bias has also been documented. A study on science faculty hiring revealed that identical applications randomly assigned male or female names resulted in men being rated as more competent and hireable, and even offered higher starting salaries[6]. These biases persist even in organizations committed to diversity. Research suggests that firms may unconsciously favor candidates from privileged backgrounds, such as those able to take unpaid internships, which introduces socioeconomic bias[7]. Without fair hiring practices, these studies consistently show that white candidates, males, and those from higher socioeconomic backgrounds tend to be favored in the hiring process, highlighting the need for interventions to reduce bias and promote equity in recruitment." Citations: [1] https://eliinc.com/unconscious-bias-hiring-study/ [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/AskConservatives/comments/1afg9v3/does_diversity_hiringdei_make_you_doubt_if/ [3] https://www.northwestern.edu/provost/policies-procedures/faculty-searches/resources/unconscious-bias-research.pdf [4] https://www.beapplied.com/post/fair-hiring-your-go-to-manual-for-de-biased-recruitment [5] https://vidcruiter.com/video-interviewing/hiring-biases/ [6] https://www.beapplied.com/post/recruitment-bias-report-how-bias-affects-hiring-and-how-to-remove-it [7] https://hbr.org/2021/02/research-how-companies-committed-to-diverse-hiring-still-fail [8] https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/are_merit_based_systems_actually_fair [9] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4554714/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bogpunk@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's the thing though, these biases against people based on their ethnicity and gender already exist, whether the people doing the hiring realize it or not. The best people may lose out on job opportunities because of these qualities. The whole point of DEI is to compensate for these biases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheRtRevKaiser@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hi. You've gotten some very good responses from the community so I'm going to leave the thread up for now, but please be aware that pushing more will likely result in removal or a temp ban. Thanks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Skelemental@mastodon.gamedev.place 3 points 2 years ago @PlainSimpleGarak @TheRtRevKaiser one white dude to what I suspect is another: be better than this. You get to say you don’t care because of many privileges you enjoy. Most everyone else has to care about this because of how it affects them. No one is even asking you to champion the cause but could you at least not actively be a dick about it? permalink fedilink source parent [–] alyaza@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago take a week off, you were told the issue politely and this is not an acceptable way to respond permalink fedilink source parent [–] TwiddleTwaddle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago* "Guess that minority shouldn't work there then. It's a good thing we have fair, gainful, and plentiful employment where every company with a hiring bias is perfectly balanced out by another company with the opposite bias. I sure am glad our perfect egalitarian society ensures that the minority's kids are fed clothed and housed until they find work at an exactly comparable company - with the same exact pay - that hires minorities." permalink fedilink source parent [–] bogpunk@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago This isn't unique to any company. This is systemic and pervasive through our entire culture and society. Countering it requires education and effort, not ignoring the problem and experiences of those it effects. The status quo is not a fair playing field. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheRtRevKaiser@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hi. You've gotten some very good responses from the community so I'm going to leave the thread up for now, but please be aware that pushing more will likely result in removal or a temp ban. Thanks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Skelemental@mastodon.gamedev.place 3 points 2 years ago @PlainSimpleGarak @TheRtRevKaiser one white dude to what I suspect is another: be better than this. You get to say you don’t care because of many privileges you enjoy. Most everyone else has to care about this because of how it affects them. No one is even asking you to champion the cause but could you at least not actively be a dick about it? permalink fedilink source parent [–] alyaza@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago take a week off, you were told the issue politely and this is not an acceptable way to respond permalink fedilink source parent [–] TwiddleTwaddle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago* "Guess that minority shouldn't work there then. It's a good thing we have fair, gainful, and plentiful employment where every company with a hiring bias is perfectly balanced out by another company with the opposite bias. I sure am glad our perfect egalitarian society ensures that the minority's kids are fed clothed and housed until they find work at an exactly comparable company - with the same exact pay - that hires minorities." permalink fedilink source parent [–] bogpunk@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago This isn't unique to any company. This is systemic and pervasive through our entire culture and society. Countering it requires education and effort, not ignoring the problem and experiences of those it effects. The status quo is not a fair playing field. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheRtRevKaiser@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hi. You've gotten some very good responses from the community so I'm going to leave the thread up for now, but please be aware that pushing more will likely result in removal or a temp ban. Thanks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Skelemental@mastodon.gamedev.place 3 points 2 years ago @PlainSimpleGarak @TheRtRevKaiser one white dude to what I suspect is another: be better than this. You get to say you don’t care because of many privileges you enjoy. Most everyone else has to care about this because of how it affects them. No one is even asking you to champion the cause but could you at least not actively be a dick about it? permalink fedilink source parent [–] alyaza@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago take a week off, you were told the issue politely and this is not an acceptable way to respond permalink fedilink source parent
[+] PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Skelemental@mastodon.gamedev.place 3 points 2 years ago @PlainSimpleGarak @TheRtRevKaiser one white dude to what I suspect is another: be better than this. You get to say you don’t care because of many privileges you enjoy. Most everyone else has to care about this because of how it affects them. No one is even asking you to champion the cause but could you at least not actively be a dick about it? permalink fedilink source parent [–] alyaza@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago take a week off, you were told the issue politely and this is not an acceptable way to respond permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Skelemental@mastodon.gamedev.place 3 points 2 years ago @PlainSimpleGarak @TheRtRevKaiser one white dude to what I suspect is another: be better than this. You get to say you don’t care because of many privileges you enjoy. Most everyone else has to care about this because of how it affects them. No one is even asking you to champion the cause but could you at least not actively be a dick about it? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] alyaza@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago take a week off, you were told the issue politely and this is not an acceptable way to respond permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TwiddleTwaddle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago* "Guess that minority shouldn't work there then. It's a good thing we have fair, gainful, and plentiful employment where every company with a hiring bias is perfectly balanced out by another company with the opposite bias. I sure am glad our perfect egalitarian society ensures that the minority's kids are fed clothed and housed until they find work at an exactly comparable company - with the same exact pay - that hires minorities." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bogpunk@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago This isn't unique to any company. This is systemic and pervasive through our entire culture and society. Countering it requires education and effort, not ignoring the problem and experiences of those it effects. The status quo is not a fair playing field. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nawor3565@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 2 years ago* (2 children) That tells me you're either a cishet, white, male, or you're woefully uneducated and selfish. You're totally in favor of development crunch too, aren't you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gyrfalcon@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago While it can be tempting (especially with posts like this one) if you cannot respond to a comment or post that is not be(e)ing nice in a productive manner, please just report it so that a moderator can deal with it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago It’s people like that guy that don’t understand that “bad culture fit” means “minority”. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gyrfalcon@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago While it can be tempting (especially with posts like this one) if you cannot respond to a comment or post that is not be(e)ing nice in a productive manner, please just report it so that a moderator can deal with it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago It’s people like that guy that don’t understand that “bad culture fit” means “minority”. permalink fedilink source parent