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What the fuck is going on with 196/onehundredninetysix? (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world
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I know there was some schism and moving of instances, but beyond that I can’t deduce what happened/is happening.

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[–] 15 points 2 years ago (61 children)

It's a broader disagreement that's been simmering for a while. The 196 mods say that the Drag controversy is unrelated, as Dragonfucker had been banned from 196 long before for unrelated reasons.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (44 children)

    The 196 mods say that the Drag controversy is unrelated, as Dragonfucker had been banned from 196 long before for unrelated reasons.

    Although...this is some sort of spat relating to pronouns, and as I recall, isn't that guy's thing referring to himself using the third person?

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (41 children)

    The spat is unrelated to pronouns or neopronouns, according to the 196 mods. It has to do with the Blahaj admins and the 196 mods disagreeing on moderation behavior for the community, and the 196 mods not wanting to have their own moderation decisions reversed or second-guessed by admins if there wasn't a rule violation in how the 196 mods handled moderation.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Thanks for these responses. I hope everyone reaches a satisfactory resolution to this. I don't like to see communities or instances infighting, but I suppose it's just part of us growing as a platform.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    part of us growing as a platform.

    Unfortunately, we're not even growing

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I suppose that's dependent on what you want to look at. I still find the platform wholly engaging, and overall more diverse, though I feel the front page has become a bit dominated by polarizing opinions, but we do feel to be on a crappy slice of our timeline right now, so I can't totally fault people for that.

    This particular scenario is a little inappropriate to say this is us maturing as a platform, but it's definitely...a thing that is happening...

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Why are you being so vague about what the disagreement was?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    As I understand it, it wasn't a singular disagreement, but a number of incidents in which, as I said, the 196 mods didn't want to have their own moderation decisions reversed or second-guessed if 196's ruleset was in compliance with the requirements of the instance.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    Ah. Well, that seems like a shitty excuse. They’re public servants, they chose this role, they should just be made to deal with that. If they don’t want to have to deal with rules preventing them from abusing their fellow users, they shouldn’t be mods and should just spend their free time playing video games instead. They remind me of cop characters on police procedural tv shows that are mad that liberal politicians won’t let them commit brutality against and trample all over the civil rights of the citizens they’re supposed to be protecting

    I’m also going to be completely blunt, I don’t believe you that having to respect the choice of pronouns of transgender users isn’t the issue for them. I think you’re lying through your teeth to cover for them.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    If they don’t want to have to deal with rules preventing them from abusing their fellow users

    That's... not at all what I said.

    I’m also going to be completely blunt, I don’t believe you that having to respect the choice of pronouns of transgender users isn’t the issue. I think you’re lying to cover for them.

    I'm lying to cover for the trans folk on the mod team saying that they will continue to respect neopronouns and enforce rules against misgendering on the .world comm.

    Uh.

    Okay.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Oh, I know. I’m just accurately depicting what those mods are ACTUALLY mad about.

    Not being a transphobe is really simple. Someone tells you “Hello, nice to meet you! I identify as ____, my pronouns are /.” If you respect their self-identity and chosen pronouns, then congratulations, you’re not a transphobe! You all failed this test. You all failed it hard. There’s been one transgender individual in this entire drama. Dragon Rider. Dragon Rider has been repeatedly been referred to as a guy and with the pronouns he/him, despite constantly stressing that drag is non-binary and uses drag/dragself pronouns. Including val, someone you did not correct in this very conversation. Drag has been called a troll for defending dragself for months on end now. If I was one of the trans people your side of this argument was supposedly trying to protect, I would be very scared for my safety on this website.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    This you?

    I said They weren’t a troll because they genuinely believed what they believe. Those were two entirely separate statements, and two entirely different bad things to be. Please do listen to people when they’re talking to you, if nothing else than to avoid simple blunders like this

    You misgendered “drag” twice in this comment. Hmmm…

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