▲ 482 ▼ Russia spreading false claims about Qur’an burnings to harm NATO bid, says Sweden (www.theguardian.com) submitted 3 years ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 118 comments fedilink hide all child comments Defence agency says Moscow is using the protests in Stockholm to stir tensions between Arab countries and the west
[–] M0oP0o@lemmy.world 14 points 3 years ago (3 children) Neat the goal posts have already moved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) Oh and: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337291231_The_Concept_of_the_'New_Soviet_Man'_As_a_Eugenic_Project_Eugenics_in_Soviet_Russia_after_World_War_II https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53055857 Oh and the current genocide (I am waving my hands in the general direction of Ukraine) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] freagle@lemmygrad.ml -9 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) I have and never will compare the two. I don't think anyone was expecting a contrast and compare with the USA (who I think only you have mentioned). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago Oh and yes, thanks for the "Hurdurr whataboutism!" I will remember to use that next time, it really gets the school yard vibe across. permalink fedilink source parent [–] brimnac@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) You *knew that would happen one he gaslit whataboutism, didn’t you? Edit - forgot a word… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) I am sorry, but I must not be reading that right, I cannot parse. Edit, much better. Also did you see the comment about selective calling of whataboutism? Wild stuff, love to see it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] brimnac@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Sorry - forgot the word “knew”. The guy is just bad-faith. permalink fedilink source parent [+] freagle@lemmygrad.ml -12 points 3 years ago (2 children) LOL, what goal posts? You're just randomly throwing out what you think are logical fallacies as your solution to countering narratives that paint Western actions in a negative light? Try to define the "goal posts" and then show what you think moved. Because as I see it, the question is "who hates brown people more" and that means the goal posts are quite literally "who's actions have harmed brown people the most" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago* (1 child) These "goal posts", you know the ones you set and rhetorically asked to provide evidence for.... "No. Stop projecting Western pathologies onto your enemies. Russia certainly has its share of the Western mind virus, but so many of its cultures were not even considered White by Europeans. You could do research for the next year and try to compile all the evidence of Russia being against brown people and it couldn’t hold a candle to even 1 of the Western European states." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] freagle@lemmygrad.ml -10 points 3 years ago And the research that was posted is exactly what I said it would be - it doesn't hold a candle to even one of the Western European states. permalink fedilink source parent [–] qaz@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) You said Russia’s negative treatment of PoC wasn’t even comparable to any Western European country. He sent back a report about mistreatment in Russia. And you changed the subject to whether Russia or the USA has been worse. I think that is what the person responding to you is referring to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] freagle@lemmygrad.ml -7 points 3 years ago That is literally what comparable means, to compare. I compared Russia's track record with the West's track record. And showed that it was incomparably worse in the West than in Russia, because the West has been exporting it to hundreds of millions for centuries. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M0oP0o@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) Oh and: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337291231_The_Concept_of_the_'New_Soviet_Man'_As_a_Eugenic_Project_Eugenics_in_Soviet_Russia_after_World_War_II https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53055857 Oh and the current genocide (I am waving my hands in the general direction of Ukraine) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] freagle@lemmygrad.ml -9 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) I have and never will compare the two. I don't think anyone was expecting a contrast and compare with the USA (who I think only you have mentioned). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago Oh and yes, thanks for the "Hurdurr whataboutism!" I will remember to use that next time, it really gets the school yard vibe across. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] freagle@lemmygrad.ml -9 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) I have and never will compare the two. I don't think anyone was expecting a contrast and compare with the USA (who I think only you have mentioned). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago Oh and yes, thanks for the "Hurdurr whataboutism!" I will remember to use that next time, it really gets the school yard vibe across. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M0oP0o@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) I have and never will compare the two. I don't think anyone was expecting a contrast and compare with the USA (who I think only you have mentioned). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago Oh and yes, thanks for the "Hurdurr whataboutism!" I will remember to use that next time, it really gets the school yard vibe across. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M0oP0o@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago Oh and yes, thanks for the "Hurdurr whataboutism!" I will remember to use that next time, it really gets the school yard vibe across. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] brimnac@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) You *knew that would happen one he gaslit whataboutism, didn’t you? Edit - forgot a word… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) I am sorry, but I must not be reading that right, I cannot parse. Edit, much better. Also did you see the comment about selective calling of whataboutism? Wild stuff, love to see it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] brimnac@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Sorry - forgot the word “knew”. The guy is just bad-faith. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M0oP0o@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) I am sorry, but I must not be reading that right, I cannot parse. Edit, much better. Also did you see the comment about selective calling of whataboutism? Wild stuff, love to see it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] brimnac@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Sorry - forgot the word “knew”. The guy is just bad-faith. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] brimnac@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Sorry - forgot the word “knew”. The guy is just bad-faith. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] freagle@lemmygrad.ml -12 points 3 years ago (2 children) LOL, what goal posts? You're just randomly throwing out what you think are logical fallacies as your solution to countering narratives that paint Western actions in a negative light? Try to define the "goal posts" and then show what you think moved. Because as I see it, the question is "who hates brown people more" and that means the goal posts are quite literally "who's actions have harmed brown people the most" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago* (1 child) These "goal posts", you know the ones you set and rhetorically asked to provide evidence for.... "No. Stop projecting Western pathologies onto your enemies. Russia certainly has its share of the Western mind virus, but so many of its cultures were not even considered White by Europeans. You could do research for the next year and try to compile all the evidence of Russia being against brown people and it couldn’t hold a candle to even 1 of the Western European states." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] freagle@lemmygrad.ml -10 points 3 years ago And the research that was posted is exactly what I said it would be - it doesn't hold a candle to even one of the Western European states. permalink fedilink source parent [–] qaz@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) You said Russia’s negative treatment of PoC wasn’t even comparable to any Western European country. He sent back a report about mistreatment in Russia. And you changed the subject to whether Russia or the USA has been worse. I think that is what the person responding to you is referring to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] freagle@lemmygrad.ml -7 points 3 years ago That is literally what comparable means, to compare. I compared Russia's track record with the West's track record. And showed that it was incomparably worse in the West than in Russia, because the West has been exporting it to hundreds of millions for centuries. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M0oP0o@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago* (1 child) These "goal posts", you know the ones you set and rhetorically asked to provide evidence for.... "No. Stop projecting Western pathologies onto your enemies. Russia certainly has its share of the Western mind virus, but so many of its cultures were not even considered White by Europeans. You could do research for the next year and try to compile all the evidence of Russia being against brown people and it couldn’t hold a candle to even 1 of the Western European states." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] freagle@lemmygrad.ml -10 points 3 years ago And the research that was posted is exactly what I said it would be - it doesn't hold a candle to even one of the Western European states. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] freagle@lemmygrad.ml -10 points 3 years ago And the research that was posted is exactly what I said it would be - it doesn't hold a candle to even one of the Western European states. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] qaz@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) You said Russia’s negative treatment of PoC wasn’t even comparable to any Western European country. He sent back a report about mistreatment in Russia. And you changed the subject to whether Russia or the USA has been worse. I think that is what the person responding to you is referring to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] freagle@lemmygrad.ml -7 points 3 years ago That is literally what comparable means, to compare. I compared Russia's track record with the West's track record. And showed that it was incomparably worse in the West than in Russia, because the West has been exporting it to hundreds of millions for centuries. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] freagle@lemmygrad.ml -7 points 3 years ago That is literally what comparable means, to compare. I compared Russia's track record with the West's track record. And showed that it was incomparably worse in the West than in Russia, because the West has been exporting it to hundreds of millions for centuries. permalink fedilink source parent