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A space for masculine folks to talk about living under patriarchy.

Detoxing masculinity since 1990!

You don’t get points for feminism, feminism is expected.

Guidelines:

  1. Questions over blame
  2. Humility over pride
  3. Wisdom over dogma
  4. Actions over image

Rules (expansions on the guidelines):

  1. Mistakes should be learning experiences when possible.
    • Do not attack comrades displaying vulnerability for what they acknowledge are mistakes.
    • If you see good-faith behavior that's toxic, do your best to explain why it's toxic.
    • If you don't have the energy to engage, report and move on.
    • This includes past mistakes. If you've overcome extreme reactionary behavior, we'd love to know how.
    • A widened range of acceptable discussion means a greater need for sensitivity and patience for your comrades.
    • Examples:
      • "This is reactionary. Here's why."
      • "I know that {reality}, but I feel like {toxicity}"
      • "I don't understand why this is reactionary, but it feels like it {spoilered details}"
  2. You are not entitled to the emotional labor of others.
    • Constantly info-dumping and letting us sort through your psyche is not healthy for any of us.
    • If you feel a criticism of you is unfair, do not lash out.
    • If you can't engage self-critically, delete your post.
    • If you don't know how to phrase why it's unfair, say so.
  3. No singular masculine ideal.
    • This includes promoting gender-neutral traits like "courage" or "integrity" as "manly".
    • Suggestions for an individual to replace a toxic ideal is fine.
    • Don't reinforce the idea the fulfillment requires masculinity.
    • This also includes tendency struggle-sessions.
  4. No lifestyle content.
    • Post the picture of your new grill in !food (feminine people like grills too smh my head).
    • Post the picture of the fish you caught in !sports (feminine people like fish too smdh my damn head).
    • At best, stuff like this is off-topic. At worst, it's reinforcing genders norms..
    • If you're not trying to be seen as masculine for your lifestyle content, it's irrelevant to this comm. If you are trying to be seen as masculine, let's have a discussion about why these things are seen as masculine.

Resources:

*The Will to Change: Men, Masculinity, and Love by Bell Hooks

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Hello comrades, it's time for our FINAL discussion thread for The Will to Change, covering Chapters 10 (Reclaiming Male Integrity), 11 (Loving Men) and the book as a whole. Thanks to everyone who's participated over the last couple months, I’m looking forward to hearing everyone’s thoughts again. And if you haven't started the book yet but would like to, this thread will stay pinned for a while so you can share your thoughts as you read!

As we reflect on the book as a whole, there are a few questions I'm curious to hear everyone's answers for:

  1. What was your biggest takeaway from reading The Will to Change?

  2. How has the book's material and hooks' insights affected your everyday life?

  3. How can we apply hooks' lessons on healthy, non-patriarchal masculinity to improve the site culture of Hexbear?

If you haven't read the book yet but would like to, its available free on the Internet Archive in text form, as well as an audiobook on Youtube with content warnings at the start of each chapter, courtesy of the Anarchist Audio Library, and as an audiobook on our very own TankieTube! (note: the YT version is missing the Preface but the Tankietube version has it)

After this I would like to host another book club, probably here on /c/menby but it depends on what exactly we read. Please share any suggestions you have for books below!

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Apologies for missing the last section or two. Work, the holidays and now getting sick really did a number on me.

I am so incredibly grateful that I read this book. Patriarchy wasn't a new topic for me, but to have it named and clearly shown how pervasive it is really helped me reframe some things, especially about myself. I recently moved back to my home city and it has dredged up a lot of stuff that I thought I was buried and done with. My father was not the worst there ever was, but he was patriarchal in his own way by imposing his own values and ambitions and by letting his temper run how he dealt with every frustration no matter how small. I resented him for it for years and now he's slowly dying of dementia in a shitty nursing home. I realized that my anger towards him was worthless since he is too far gone to achieve anything meaningful from a confrontation. I just put that anger away and made a promise instead that I would be a better man than him. I would be gentle and loving and not let my shit get on other people because that's my work and responsibility, not anyone else's.

I can't fully reject anger because I can't look at the state of the world and not feel it. It can be a useful tool in the right situations, but it is but one emotion that we are meant to experience. The book's emphasis on love was a major guiding star for me. Love, compassion, solidarity; these are the feelings I'm seeking to nurture and to save my anger for those truly deserve it. This is not a prescription for others, mind you, as we all operate differently and have our own work to do, merely reflection of my own growth and journey.

I'm grateful for everyone who has participated in this group. Even when I haven't been able to post, I have read your words and taken them and your experiences to heart. We come from different places but we've all been affected by patriarchy in all of its insidious ways. I thank you all for walking this path together. Thank you to @[email protected] for organizing this. I plan on doing my best to participate in future reading groups as they develop.

Finally, for anyone who might have been lurking through this:

I'm not going to judge you for not commenting, as outside of discussions like this I largely lurk with the occasional insight, quip, or emote, but I hope you are still engaged with the text and my hope is that you might participate more in a future book discussion. This is the kind of work we need to put in to improve the problem of misogyny in the site's culture. Even if you've already read the material we'd love to hear your insight.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

I just put that anger away and made a promise instead that I would be a better man than him. I would be gentle and loving and not let my shit get on other people because that’s my work and responsibility, not anyone else’s.

I think is very important. Forgiveness isn't something you give to someone else but you give to yourself. Way to go.