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A space for masculine folks to talk about living under patriarchy.
Detoxing masculinity since 1990!
You don’t get points for feminism, feminism is expected.
Guidelines:
- Questions over blame
- Humility over pride
- Wisdom over dogma
- Actions over image
Rules (expansions on the guidelines):
- Mistakes should be learning experiences when possible.
- Do not attack comrades displaying vulnerability for what they acknowledge are mistakes.
- If you see good-faith behavior that's toxic, do your best to explain why it's toxic.
- If you don't have the energy to engage, report and move on.
- This includes past mistakes. If you've overcome extreme reactionary behavior, we'd love to know how.
- A widened range of acceptable discussion means a greater need for sensitivity and patience for your comrades.
- Examples:
- "This is reactionary. Here's why."
- "I know that {reality}, but I feel like {toxicity}"
- "I don't understand why this is reactionary, but it feels like it {spoilered details}"
- You are not entitled to the emotional labor of others.
- Constantly info-dumping and letting us sort through your psyche is not healthy for any of us.
- If you feel a criticism of you is unfair, do not lash out.
- If you can't engage self-critically, delete your post.
- If you don't know how to phrase why it's unfair, say so.
- No singular masculine ideal.
- This includes promoting gender-neutral traits like "courage" or "integrity" as "manly".
- Suggestions for an individual to replace a toxic ideal is fine.
- Don't reinforce the idea the fulfillment requires masculinity.
- This also includes tendency struggle-sessions.
- No lifestyle content.
- Post the picture of your new grill in !food (feminine people like grills too smh my head).
- Post the picture of the fish you caught in !sports (feminine people like fish too smdh my damn head).
- At best, stuff like this is off-topic. At worst, it's reinforcing genders norms..
- If you're not trying to be seen as masculine for your lifestyle content, it's irrelevant to this comm. If you are trying to be seen as masculine, let's have a discussion about why these things are seen as masculine.
Resources:
*The Will to Change: Men, Masculinity, and Love by Bell Hooks
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Going to be posting some thoughts once I finish the last two chapters today. But I just wanted to say thanks for this. Its really made me think a lot about what masculinity is within our patriarchal society.
One of the biggest things to realize about patriarchy is that it affects everyone. And if everyone isn't liberated from patriarchy's grips then liberation will not happen. I think it just speaks to a lot of what is discussed in so far as being better intersectional comrades. We can't leave anyone behind because the system consumes everything in order to survive. Obviously not everyone will be open to it, but we can't always take the stubbornness of individuals to be the refusal of an entire group of people to change.
I've really been thinking a lot about being more in tune and expressive about my emotions. I get that longing for love in particular. As I said in an earlier chapter discussion, my relationship with my dad wasn't always the best, but talking about it with my mom recently kind of put me on the path of really looking into what my relationship with him and other people in my life was/is lacking. I'm taking baby steps to open up to people more and reading this book has solidified my desire to do just that. And I want not just to change my self, but hopefully help others see a world that isn't about adhering to patriarchal notions of relationships.
Its kind of tough to say. Maybe having a space where we can continue to discuss and think of ways to apply these lessons could be helpful. I just feel like there's only so much you can do on an online space.