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The reverse of that post I've made a week ago...

Rules: pick one movie or series and explain why you actually enjoyed it despite the criticism.

For me: The JJ Abrams Star Trek movies, by far the best ST stuff ever made, I couldn't take seriously the original universe with the dated effects and stiff acting, same goes for NG... These movies did ST actually great looking and much more believable, not just the effects.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

Matrix 2 & 3. I don't see, or watch, them as separate movies. Rather, together with Matrix 1, they form one big masterpiece for me. But I can see that it doesn't really fit the 100 minutes format audiences came to expect, and breaking it in three parts did not do it any good. Plus, I guess I'm just a fan of long movies as I've also sat through the original, restored "Until the End of the World," which runs for about 5 hours.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

When I binged all 3 movies I realised that 2 and 3 should be watched together as a single film, it makes it so much better

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I mean, 2 and 3 are also largely a deconstruction of 1. The Matrix is an incredibly well made movie with really stupid themes. 2 and 3 do an excellent job highlighting why stuff like "Neo is the Chosen One" is fundamentally bad storytelling, but there were a lot of audiences who loved The Matrix fully and completely. I can understand why those people were disappointed when 2 and 3 weren't just more senseless violence in black trenchcoats, but ultimately the series wasn't made for them.

IIRC, 2 and 3 were meant to be one film, but it got split due to studio meddling. I wonder if there is a mega-cut adapting the whole trilogy into a single runtime.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

I get quite annoyed when people talk trash about 2 and 3. If it’s not for you then that’s fine but saying they’re not good really gets under my skin.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Matrix 2 and 3 were films that always got a bad rep, but were alright if you sat down and watched them.

Matrix 4 is.... best left forgotten, and I say that as someone who likes Indy 4

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Yea I'm with you on this. They expand on an otherwise superb unit in a rather intricate way, bringing in so much lore and characters, complexifying the stakes, that I can see how they can be perceived as diluting a very pure work of art, and losing the beautiful esoterism of the first. But it's two of those films you need to watch several times to wrap your head around and appreciate rightfully. Just like The Big Lebowski, in a different way