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My thoughts on veganism (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I escaped the Reddit regime a little while ago. I consider myself a marxist-leninist-MZT. Vegetarian and vegan for a few years. I've a lot of thoughts on how marxism and veganism are connected. Never wrote them down. I'd like to start smth like a club for marxist vegans to develop our own proletarian theory. Most vegan theory I found is either openly bourgeois (Francione is a literal TERF) or revisionist (anti-China, anarchist, libertarian). How about fixing this?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bruh, it's just eating livestock, not that complicated or deep, people eat both plants and meat as we're omnivores, that's the point.

If the only point is that people do consume animal products and have in the past, then nobody argues with that. I assumed this was connected to what is "natural" and why you think it is right to do, which is also not something I have asked or suggested. I haven't told you what you should or shouldn't do in this thread, but I am pointing out that "we are omnivores" is not a coherent argument re: the appeal to what is "natural". You don't actually need to justify yourself, as again, I am suggesting a material analysis, but since you brought this up without reompting I figured you would be interested in discussing it.

Tree log, chicken, axe and cooking isn't advanced technology.

Axes are pretty advanced and are not the historical traditional tool for killing animals for food. Those would be the spear and traps. The domestication of chickens is fairly advanced, as they have been selectively bred for domestication from an ancestor in Southeast Asia.

Ughh, I'm pretty sure that not using the time for something better and instead bothering other people about what they or should eat because you dislike the fact that humans are omnivores is the annoying part.

Like I said, I haven't told you what to eat. So I am not doing the thing you find annoying, I guess.

I think that a villager keeping chicken and other livestock, eating eggs and drinking milk doesn't constitute as imperialism unless I missed that part in Highest Stage of Capitalism.

Of course not. Who said it did?

They don't feed chickens with that, most are against it.

That's good.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

You're literally becoming incoherent at this point at discussing the way to execute and cook a chicken. There is no material analysis needed on how mother nature designed the species called homosapiens which are biologically omnivores and the fact that they eat meat. The material analysis should be for capitalist food companies, poachers, animal traders.

You did.

You said analysis tied to capitalism and imperialism, I don't see any imperialism in basic biology and villagers working hard to get us meat, eggs and milk.