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It's funny that you're probably the first to call people fascists, but this is an objectively fascist view. People who aren't in your political party don't belong in civil society? Hahaha.
Fascist.
Fascist
Because we don't share the same views as you? That's fascist.
Which countries are you talking about?
You're clearly incapable of understanding a satirical joke to prove a point. I don't want any one of those fucking things for anyone, yet that's the sort of shit conservatives are pushing for. They're trying to make it illegal to present as any gender other than the one you were assigned at birth in public, effectively banning trans people from public life.
The other points were things that the most extreme in the American right argue for, and policies already enacted against women in conservative theocracies today. Some of these counties are American allies, like Saudi Arabia, and some are enemies like Iran. As much as you might try to deny it, there is serious overlap between Christian nationalists, and ISIS. Those fascist theocracies are the logical conclusion of the modern American right.
The whole point of that paragraph was to highlight how hard it is to be civil with someone threatening your fundamental rights. I wanted to put you in the shoes of the people your evil ideology oppresses. It shows a fundamental lack of respect to even hold and express those extreme views that DeSantis enacts policy on, so of course I have no reason to show you any respect. It doesn't matter how pretty the box is; what matters is what's inside it.
So you're joking and you think conservatives should be allowed to participate in our society? So your fascist views are in jest?
Conservatives should be legally allowed to participate in society, yes. Of course what I said was in jest. Just because they are legally protected by the law, doesn't mean other people can't use their own freedom of speech and association to call out and disassociate from awful ideas and people. Protection under the law doesn't mean anyone needs to put up with you.
However, not all restrictions are automatically fascist. In fact, even liberal democracies would be wise to not legally tolerate people who were willing to overthrow the system. Much like tolerance, liberty is a social contract, and those who want to take away the liberty of others should not have their own liberty protected.
I'm glad I could help your views progress!
Yeah, just as much as...literally every other individual in the country.
Agreed, however hating someone because they have different views than you and trying to exclude them because of different beliefs says more about you than them.
So you think we should be able to arrest communists, and those wanting to eat the rich?
I disagree, I don't have liberty because other people have a social contract with me, I have liberty because I'm a human being. It's a natural human right. I don't have it because you agree that I have it.
That's the issue isn't it? For much of American history, that has been how anti-communists have operated. Unfortunately, liberalism is a fundamentally contradictory system, with economic liberty and personal liberty being two different values. They oppose eachother, and anti-communists ultimately trampled all over people's personal liberty to reinforce capital interests. As long as liberalism exists, there will always be that dialectic. It's why liberalism is unstable and will always try to evolve into a capitalism supporting authoritarian system, or a socialist system. So if one favors liberalism, they ultimately have to choose which parts of liberalism they favor.
The reason we believe we have natural human rights is because it creates the best possible world for us to live in. Sadly, such an idea is a construct, a useful one that should be upheld for mutual benefit, but a construct none the less. The world is not naturally fair and operates based of of might and violence. This is because people are machines, for nothing else could exist in a self consistent logical universe. This doesn't make you less deserving of rights, it just means you need to fight to keep them because they aren't guaranteed.