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Happy birthday to Let's Encrypt !

Huge thanks to everyone involved in making HTTPS available to everyone for free !

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

Let's Encrypt is amazing, but are there any equally trustworthy alternatives people could switch to if something bad happens to it?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

They came up with the ACME protocol, so presumably somebody could. The real barrier to entry is the cost of getting into that certificate chain of trust. I have no idea why it's so difficult and expensive.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Well, it's difficult, as it should be, because if you control a certificate in the active chain of trust of browsers, you can hack pretty much anything you want.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 45 minutes ago (1 children)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the CA only signing your public key to prove identity/authority? I don't think the CA can magically MITM every cert they sign.

The impact is serious enough to warrant a $1m entry fee, IMO. At best, someone could impersonate a site. They'd also have to get other things in line (e.g. DNS hijacking) to be at all successful anyway. And it's not like most people are authenticating certs themselves. They just trust browsers to trust CAs that vouch for you and prevents those scary browser warnings.

It doesn't improve encryption compared to a self-signed cert though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 minutes ago

If you are the CA, you can sign a new certificate yourself for google.com and the browser will accept it. It's effectively MITM for any certificate. The browser has no way of knowing there's 2 "valid" certs at once, and in fact that is allowed regardless (multiple servers with different instances of the SSL cert is very common now)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

If it begins to enshitify, someone will quickly take up the helm. It's become so core now that someone like Cloudflare would just be like "We do this now."

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago

Cloudflare sort of provides this now by being a MITM to secure your site between your server and the end user. But this requires you and your end user to trust Cloudflare.

And fwiw the ACME protocol is open so anyone can implement it. I believe even the ACME software that EFF sends out allows you to choose your server with some configuration.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago