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Unpatchable AMD Chip Flaw Unlocks Paid Tesla Feature Upgrades (www.tomshardware.com)
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Original source: https://www.blackhat.com/us-23/briefings/schedule/index.html#jailbreaking-an-electric-vehicle-in--or-what-it-means-to-hotwire-teslas-x-based-seat-heater-33049

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[–] 172 points 3 years ago (7 children)

If all electric cars are just going to be subscription bullshit, I'm sorry, I won't be driving electric.

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  • [–] 98 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Even ICE manufacturers have been including hardware that software disabled for a while

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  • [–] 30 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I got an OBDeleven for my 2015 GTI so I could unlock stuff and customize. Enabled rolling down the windows with the key fob, being able to display the engine oil temp in the dash and also setting the accelerator pedal curve to linear.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    What I didn't even know that was stuff you could even do

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  • [–] 18 points 3 years ago

    The accelerator curve is really cool. A lot of modern cars just have a sensor that detects your pedal position and a simple algorithm decides how much power to translate that into. It's like adjusting the mouse speed on a computer. Feels like you're driving a different car.

    Having said that, the default curve is often the best curve. They put a lot more effort into getting it right than you would.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Kinda depends on the car. Volkswagen cars are pretty "hackable" with OBDeleven which is a wireless interface for the hilariously named "VAGCOM" protocol.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    OBDeleven

    Hang on, have I being saying this wrong for years? I thought it was OBDII or OBD2 ?

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  • [+] 11 points 3 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)
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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    A fingerprint unlock on a car? I've never heard of that, is it to unlock the doors?

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    There are some manufacturers that do not do this garbage, or at least not often. I've heard good things about Hyundai specifically.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago

    For now they have customer goodwill to win back after nearly a decade of building cars that practically fell apart in a year or 2 in the late 00s and early 10s.

    They'll catch up to the others in anti-consumer practices soon, but for now they're a good choice if you don't particularly care for performance or ride quality.

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  • [–] 73 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    It won’t just be electric cars, it’ll be all new model cars from manufacturing companies. At least until ICE is phased out.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    More like, until the Chinese weasel their way into the US market with cheaper-than-used cars to undercut the legacy auto makers. 10 years or so, it'll happen. And the big 3 will be begging for bailouts again. That is unless they smarten up and remember what made Ford what it is today.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I don't see that happening. The US puts large tariffs on imported cars to stifle competition. That's why if you look at Japanese cars in Japan or German cars in Germany they're often much cheaper and more powerful than their American counterparts.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago

    They're already doing that in some parts of the world. Then when they get sizeable market share, they emulated what the previous car makers do. It's just not an improvement. It's more of the same, only the manufacturer is different.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago

    This is why I keep an oldish diesel car with no extra electronic features in my garage. No weird features, and can still run even without a battery.

    Although, I think the reason I kept the car is because of my paranoia of an EMP event frying electronics.

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  • [–] 36 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Have you seen the automotive industry as of late? This isn't a EV issue nor is it really new. We've had things like OnStar for years and the entire industry has started to chase the gaming industry's microtransaction BS for a while now.

    https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/12/23204950/bmw-subscriptions-microtransactions-heated-seats-feature

    https://www.thedrive.com/news/43329/toyota-made-its-key-fob-remote-start-into-a-subscription-service

    The future looks like a potential live service hell scape for the auto industry EV or otherwise.

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  • [–] 28 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I have a Rivian and it works great with no subscription. The only thing you can add via Sub is a hotspot, which seems reasonable to me.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I'm okay with being charged a monthly subscription for something that has an ongoing cost, like mobile data. So long as I can still hotspot my phone and access 'premium connectivity' features over wifi, that is.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    Yeah about those 'premium connectivity features'... one of them is warning you that the road you're about to drive on has a traffic jam. And no, you can't have it use your phone's internet connection and you also can't do CarPlay or Android Auto.

    For me real time traffic isn't a premium feature or an ad on. It's table stakes. And it should be free. Worse, not having it already almost makes your car hard to sell secondhand. Imagine what it'll be like several years ago when people start selling Rivians?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    It's not just the mobile data that's spendy, it's the API calls to the vendor(s) they're getting that data from.

    Android Auto/Car Play would be nice, but having used both, the native Tesla nav is better.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    At some point, there will be practically nothing else to drive...

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    Sure there will, always. Fix it yourself jalopies aren't going away. Get yourself a cheap-o used junker and mod it to be electric, if you can't or won't use ICE. DIY isn't just 3d printers and FOSS. Or get a bicycle and mod it into an e-bike.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    All these upgrades are one time payments for an upgrade, much like sales point dealer add-ons for conventional cars. However recently they did allow you to buy a monthly subscription to FSD. But the option to buy it outright was always there, and still remains.

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