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[–] 239 points 3 years ago* (11 children)

For example, 2021 Model 3 SR+ vehicles can enable the Cold Weather Feature (heated steering wheel, heated rear seats) for an extra $300. This feature unlock is confirmed to work with the exploit.

So like cucks people were paying for something that their car already had offline, both hardware- and software-wise.

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  • [–] 88 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    No kink shaking please. They like to watch when daddy X smashes their bank accounts, there's nothing wrong with that.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    Tesla actually market it as a positive.

    Car manufacturers have to setup different manufacturing lines to provide different feature levels. Tesla argue this makes them more expensive. Tesla cars have all features installed, just disabled and the optional extra packages are cheaper compared to their rivals as a result.

    To be honest there is a certain logic, if you've ever been in a Ford Focus LX (bottom range) its pretty clear they had to spend quite a bit of money on more basic systems. I honestly thought each LX was sold at a loss

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  • [–] 28 points 3 years ago

    Then make heated seats part of the base model. In the 1950s a heater was an optional accessory, but became standard sometime in the 1960s. (I don't know exact years, if someone fact checks me I'm probably wrong, but close enough for discussion) radio went from not an option to am was an option, to FM mono, FM stereo, cassettes, CD, mp3. At one point you could get a record player as well (I think only about 200 were sold in total). AC used to be an option, became standard in the 1990s.

    We will keep running this game as manufactures decide to make more and more things standard to make assembly easier.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    You can get any color you want as long as it’s black.

    But also fuck Tesla if I own the computer and the seats so I can do whatever I want with them

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    While I'm not a fan of many of these things, it locked behind a one time fee is better than these subscription models many are coming out with.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 years ago

    It’s quite uncommon to have line splits for specific features. The only thing in a Tesla that might require a split is dual vs single motor. Heated seats would just be a station skip, where the worker or robot ignores cars without the feature. (Source: I used to write assembly line control software for this exact sort of thing)

    It doesn’t save Tesla any money, except in marshaling. If they build a mix of lots of options then they have to track them all. With their simplified option list, cars are more interchangeable.

    It also makes upselling possible, even after delivery, which is 98% of why they do it.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 years ago

    I've thought for a while that Tesla relies a lot on people who a) have money to throw at a car that's too expensive, b) have money to throw at features that should be free, and c) do a and b because they think Tesla and Musk are cool.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Not defending this practise but this is nothing new and has been happening for decades on other cars. It’s typically cheaper to manufacture everything on mass, including the higher features, and just not wire it up in lower end cars. Very common for things like heated car seats, I remember one of my old Mitsubishi had everything in the seat but just didn’t have the heated seat control button and fuse.

    Locked by software is a whole new level though.

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    [–] 172 points 3 years ago (21 children)

    If all electric cars are just going to be subscription bullshit, I'm sorry, I won't be driving electric.

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  • [–] 98 points 3 years ago (13 children)

    Even ICE manufacturers have been including hardware that software disabled for a while

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  • [–] 73 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    It won’t just be electric cars, it’ll be all new model cars from manufacturing companies. At least until ICE is phased out.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    More like, until the Chinese weasel their way into the US market with cheaper-than-used cars to undercut the legacy auto makers. 10 years or so, it'll happen. And the big 3 will be begging for bailouts again. That is unless they smarten up and remember what made Ford what it is today.

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  • [–] 36 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Have you seen the automotive industry as of late? This isn't a EV issue nor is it really new. We've had things like OnStar for years and the entire industry has started to chase the gaming industry's microtransaction BS for a while now.

    https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/12/23204950/bmw-subscriptions-microtransactions-heated-seats-feature

    https://www.thedrive.com/news/43329/toyota-made-its-key-fob-remote-start-into-a-subscription-service

    The future looks like a potential live service hell scape for the auto industry EV or otherwise.

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  • [–] 28 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I have a Rivian and it works great with no subscription. The only thing you can add via Sub is a hotspot, which seems reasonable to me.

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    [+] 94 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)
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    [–] 93 points 3 years ago

    Common AMD W

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  • [–] 91 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Cool! Now work on exploits for those paywalled features of BMW cars and Ford cars.

    If you pay for something it's yours by right. You should be able to use the entire thing, because you physically have it now.

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    [–] 83 points 3 years ago

    Unpatchable

    Good to hear

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  • [–] 69 points 3 years ago* (6 children)

    Good. There should be no such thing as unserviced features that are physically present in a product and locked out against its owner. Not in cars or anything.

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    Next we will see tesla bricking cars were users have done this

    More E-waste!

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  • [–] 17 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Unlikely, but expect to see more language in sales contracts that "if absolutely any of the software is fucked with in absolutely any way that wasnt done by us the vehicles warranty is absolutely null and void. We also reserve the right to refuse to provide any and all parts and services to any vehicle found to have had its software modified outside of factory parameters." And you best believe they will keep a list of vins and wont care if it was the previous owner.

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  • [–] 53 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    A subscription for hardware is such bullshit, I hope this trend dies.

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  • [–] [B] 49 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Utilizing multiple connections to the power supply, BIOS SPI chip, and SVI2 bus, the researchers performed a voltage fault injection attack on the MCU-Z's Platform Security Processor.

    "They allow an attacker to decrypt the encrypted NVMe storage and access private user data such as the phonebook, calendar entries, etc."

    "Hacking the embedded car computer could allow users to unlock these features without paying," the TU Berlin researchers add.

    In an email to Tom's Hardware, one of the researchers clarified that not all Tesla software upgrades are accessible, so it remains to be seen if those premium options will also be ripe for picking.

    Another consequence is that the exploit can "extract an otherwise vehicle-unique hardware-bound RSA key used to authenticate and authorize a car in Tesla's internal service network."

    The TU Berlin team (consisting of PhD students Christian Werling, Niclas Kühnapfel, and Hans Niklas Jacob, along with security researcher Oleg Drokin) will present their findings next week (August 9) at the Blackhat conference in Las Vegas, where we hope to hear more about all the feature upgrades that are accessible.


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    [–] 32 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Nice anti-AMD framing so shortly after that latest Zen2 vulnerability.

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    [–] 27 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Id like to imagine that the coder did this on person as a fuck u.

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    [–] 23 points 3 years ago

    Literally stealing the food from the plates of those hard-working millionaires/billionaires (if you ask them). How will they ever continue to float to the top of the net worth leaderboard now?

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    [–] 13 points 3 years ago

    Oh no! Anyways...

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    The title seems much more interesting than it is. I doubt most people have the ability to perform this type of exploit. It would be more interesting if a group would charge X to unlock it for you.

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