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Original post here: https://hexbear.net/post/3856299?scrollToComments=false

I think we have a general path forward based on community feedback. "We see you, we hear you!"

I went ahead and unpinned the old post. I'm pinning this one for now and will edit this post when I wake up from eepy time. I had a very mid week and have no particular alarm set so be on look out. Love y'all and I'm amped for my first announcement post since coming back. :)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (95 children)

Some users think posting is praxis and that hexbear should be the headquarters of the revolutionary vanguard.

no one is thinking that, no one is forcing you to make effortposts, if you want to just call someone dumb you have c/gossip for that, what we are merely doing is forbidding low-effort dunking on private people, which we think is toxic and boring

[–] [email protected] 37 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (30 children)

Fuck off you dork. I'm pretty obviously being hyperbolic to underline a point in that sentence.
You're still being a dismissive shitheel who fails to engage with the users who have put forth well-reasoned arguments for why dunking is not toxic. You continuing to repeat "it's toxic" like some fucked up parrot does not make it so.
If it's boring, maybe don't be a mod of the comm you massive dipshit. Just block it, it's actually really easy. There's tons of comms I don't interact with, because I don't find them interesting. You are a fantastic example of the attitude I'm talking about.

Now I'm gonna become the parrot and repeat myself, but it's pretty fucking telling that all the shitheels who cry about "toxicity in the dunk tank" have been massive assholes throughout this entire thing. If this was about toxicity, one would think you of all people would be less of a turd when you're interacting with other people, even people who dares to gasp disagree with you. Do some fucking self-crit you bug

edit: "we think" is obviously not everybody. Stop hiding behind a general vague group.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (29 children)

I did not engage with those arguments because i did not find them convincing, all they boil down to is that its cathartic and "fun", but i fail to see why the targets must be other common people for it to be cathartic and "fun"

[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The "targets" don't even know we're talking about them. In the off chance that someone sees a post on the comm and decides to go dunk on some fascist, I'd say it's deserved, we should not take any actions to protect fascists from having their feelings hurt.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The purpose of those changes is not to protect the nameless chuds, but to make the content better and less toxic

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago (1 children)

okay but how do we make you better and less toxic

genuinely

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 days ago (1 children)

naw listen, when someone whose entire online life is a tsunami of toxicity tells you that you're sucking shit i really do think it's wisest to at least consider the possibility that you may not have the clearest view of your own actions

let me rephrase. i don't want to say you are toxic. but you are definitely being toxic. if you don't want to claim that (i think you should) then you are at very least being...i guess deeply disrespectful? it's unpleasant, is what i am trying to get at. there should not be this level of hostility between the people running the show and the rest of us. i don't think it's natural. i also don't think it's something we the userbase are responsible for kicking off (at least in this instance).

shrug-outta-hecks js

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (3 children)

you will have to be more specific, in what way was i disrespectful?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago

debate-me-debate-me come on dude, just go back to reddit

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

alright, i'll play along.

i think the way you've comported yourself in general during this event positively reeks of disdain: for the userbase, their interests and desires, and for the effort they have expended trying to communicate such with you.*

you should be able to understand that replying to long, considered posts with terse statements of dismissal and apparent disinterest is, if nothing else, deeply rude behavior. it's the equivalent of responding to someone's impassioned monologue with "okay". at best they will feel stupid for trying to talk to you at all. it's flatly not the sort of behavior you extend towards someone you respect on any level.

*i know this isn't equivalent to the effort of upkeeping and running the site. i am keeping that in mind during this critique.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

lmao i genuinely cannot tell if this is an example of the behavior i discussed or if it's just an amusing coincidence but i will take it in good faith and offer some advice in kind: if you feel that your time here has embittered you towards the userbase, the site culture, or your duties as a moderator, i really do think you should give consideration to either taking a break from moderating or the site as a whole. i say this with no hostility. you folks put in a lot of labor to keep the site usable and we all appreciate that. and the key word there really is labor. i'm sure monitoring the community that is simultaneously the most active and the most likely to contain deeply emotionally damaging/draining rhetoric is not easy, to say nothing of the drama it stirs up with the other, lesser instances.

you should not be spending your limited free time in this life doing something that you hate.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

It may be enlightening to know im autistic

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I would also like to see more effort posts instead of reddit tier screenshots and gotchas. I'd like to know - have it spelled out for me, rather - how to discuss and process why liberal and reactionary talking points and axioms are false and ineffective. but I think understanding the criticisms against liberals and reactionaries doesn't come from internet posts or youtube essays, but from reading and learning.

And then coming to the site to share that common understanding of reality via the leftist lens, and then exercise levity over that reality as we face our spectrum of competency and power(lessness) in that reality.

I've learned that the catharsis is the point. It's a necessary intellectual cultivation of enduring in reality and acting upon reality.

It'd be fair to say that you, I, and perhaps all of us would like to see that catharsis go somewhere. Yet we just won't see it go from Hexbear -> ??? - > socialist activism, community organizing, volunteering, etc.

The unknown factor are the material conditions and motivations of people to put their time and energy in the material world; the levity gleaned here is the point of the site, and as a community this is what its members make of it. It isn't inherently a bad thing.

Let people have their fun. It isn't meaningless, fruitless, or useless just because it does not interest you or I.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Dolores Umbridge was more hated among the Harry Potter fanbase than Voldemort.

What makes the distinction between mockery of public officials and petty trolls on the internet (twitter, reddit, lemmy) is that often our fellow proleterians are also our tormentors. In the news, Israeli football vandals picked fights, defaced properties, and chanted genocidal and racist rants. This behavior is echoed on the bottom of Israeli society and validated by the top; this behavior (not just Israeli racism but bigotry/oppression in general) is also echoed in Western states by core constituencies of its dominant population, and validated through willful ignorance and patronizing liberalism.

I think our problem here is that we've seen a lot of this content. So much so that it also gets grating.

But not everything is for everyone.

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