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[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Did the vote share or number of votes for the party against sending weapons/money to Ukraine increase?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

There is only one party in Polish mainstream politics that is nominally against or at least neutral for war in Ukraine and it is sadly the libertarian/nazi/monarchist Konfederacja, last elections in 2023 they got 1 547 364 votes, that is 7,16% which is 18 seats in sejm (on 460). In previous election 2019 they got 1 256 953 vots that is 6,81%, 11 seats.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

That was pretty easy considering Poland have basically no new weapons, mostly old junk. Also he only do this when the internal little war seems to finally start in Poland, PO wants to trial several prominent PiS politicians but seems to wait for presidental election next year because Dupa will just pardon them otherwise, so he did this to spite them. Another reason might be that even a moron like him see the writing on the wall for Ukraine, especially considering the turmoil in Washington.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That was pretty easy considering Poland have basically no new weapons, mostly old junk.

Poland received new weapons from S. Korea in October, and Duda said it in relation to those new weapons.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Huh i thought that the tank deal was cancelled and the only thing that's arriving were the planes. That's very worrying honestly that Poland after 35 years finally signed a big weapon deal that don't seem to be a complete fuckup, and that they dared to buy something not in USA or Germany.

Non socialist Poland should not be decently armed, ever.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

they dared to buy something not in USA or Germany

Because they don't have anything to sell. US promised to sell new replacements to every EU country who sent their old stock to Ukraine, there's a waiting list, I imagine.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You're probably right. And this replacement deal was even real? I can recall that Poland offered to send F-16 and Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine if NATO proved replacements even back in 2022 or 2023 but USA did straight up denied.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

And this replacement deal was even real?

Yes, it is why countries agreed to send their current stock to Ukraine (Latvia sent all of their helicopters, all four of them lol, Slovenia sent old M-55 tanks and received Leopards or IFVs iirc, Netherlands and Denmark are sending F-16s since they're replacing them with F-35s from the US, Denmark also sent all of their Caesar SPGs and is most likely gonna buy new ones, and so on).

Here's a list from May of the different "coalitions" working to arm Ukraine.