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The dem message of "we won't do better but the other guy will do worse" failed. It was a bad message and it lost them the election against a terrible candidate. Voters need to be motivated to vote and that message isn't motivating enough
Right, it wasn't the media harping on every single thing the Dem candidate did wrong while apologizing and making excuses for Trump at every turn. Going on and on about Biden's age and then never bringing up age again once Biden dropped out of the race. No it's all the Dems fault 🙄
Cool, so what's your plan for addressing bias in the media?
Wtf kind of dumbass question is that? Do you think I'm Rupert Murdoch?
So, if that's why the democrats lost, and there's nothing that can be done to address it without being Rupert Murdoch, then are the democrats just destined to lose forever?
So do you have a suggestion or just criticism?
I agree with what MisterScruffy said. There were things that actually were within the democrats control that they could have done differently that would have allowed them to win. Blaming external factors outside of anyone's control that you have no solution for addressing is completely unproductive, and just an excuse.
The media is outside of my control but there are certainly people who are in control and I will put the blame on them that they will deserve. Bizarre take, dude.
At that point, why not just say, "Harris lost because Trump didn't drop out of the race and endorse her?" Completely useless analysis.
Did you watch the first debate where Biden could hardly speak a sentence? They were right about Biden's age. And they knew that Trump voters would never listen to them so what's the point of going after him over and over?
At the end of the day the blame falls mostly on the campaign and on the party and they failed. They have to do better than this or they'll fail again.
Biden is two years older than Trump. Trump is 20 years older than Harris. You are completely sidestepping the point made by the person you're replying to.
I didn't sidestep. first of all "the media" did bring up trumps age I remember seeing it talked about. Also Biden's age was a problem. Blaming this loss on the media is like blaming the refs when you lose a game. Yeah they might've been bad refs but it's your job to win the game regardless. The way the media treats trump is not new and if the Dems didn't take that into account that was their mistake
Closer to blaming the commentator. Nevertheless, I still like this analogy.
That was never the democrat's message.
What you are describing is the disinformation that you fell for.
Harris's nomination acceptance speech was around 70% right wing positions. Undeniable.
It was RINO talking points. That's different than the restructured right. RINOS are now the DEM party. Enjoy Liz Cheney, we were trying to get rid of her for a while. She's your problem now.
Nazi punk fuck off
Not a Nazi, the Dem party adopted the fascistic playbook of control and censorship and it got them here. Who's the Nazi again?
You literally described yourself, Nazi. The right censored the fuck out of everyone not toei g their line, both online and in legacy media. Not Dems. The Right. Bezos. Musk. Zaslov. Not us, you. Now fuck off Nazi punk.
Ummm, hey outside observer here. I saw a lot of dem leaning media during all this. Their was clearly ether little or ineffectual censorship in the left/right balance in media.
Case in point why would these results be so shocking if the media coverage was all against the Dems?
remind me what was their message on funding genocide, inflation and housing crisis ? sorry we might have missed it among the war criminals, millionaire celeb endorsements shoved at our faces.
I watched multiple speeches given by kamala and I watched the debate. This is the message I came away with and judging by the outcome of the election Im thinking that's the message most people got. Intention is irrelevant perception is what matters and they failed
Except Harris did mention Trump's age a few times (after the first debate). If you didn't see it, you only looked at the disinformation channels, or it got drowned out by them.
Well no dems voted for Trump, and his voters don't care about his age because it's a cult of personality
So far it looks like that is not true. Just look at some of the swing state exit polls. Or hell that little town of 6 people that always announces first, 2020 all 6 voted Dems and this time it was 3 and 3.
Oh totally, attacking Trump's age was never going to do anything, regardless of media hypocrisy; it was still righ to mention it. It's also true that Biden was too old and people wouldn't have voted for him.
Aight, I am going to say that I misused left when I mean liberal in some places so I have edited it.
They haven't done that... Yet. As FD Signifier said, "you can't out-right the right". Democrats screwed themselves in many ways this election such as letting Biden hang onto his candidacy when he was unpopular and not communicating their plans to the public as much as they should have, and because of how fresh it is everyone is looking for someone, or some group, to blame. At the risk of defending Harris, which I'm not because I didn't like a lot of what she said, she really only had 100 days to actually put together a campaign. Trump has been campaigning since he left office.The truth is that this has been a long time coming and the American failure to recognize that is was ACTUALLY led to this. Well, that and the fact that Harris was a black woman. Racism and misogyny hard carried this election term in addition to the unpopular policies Harris proposed. As unpopular as those policies were though, the number don't show that the policies are what lost her the election.
I also blame this on left leaning influencers AND news sites because they spent more time making fun of Trump than actually saying anything to convince the right to vote for Harris. Again, I'm not even saying that I agreed with Harris, but she would have been better for a LOT of minority people than we know Trump is. Laughing at Trump working a closed down McDonald's is one thing, but they didn't do much else. This is the reason I'm kind of done with the online liberals in general. They spend so much time making fun of people that they don't realize we need people on the left to be in positions of power before things can change in a meaningful way. And they need to actually EDUCATE people. Not just tell them "how it is", but tell them WHY it is. The liberal media got cocky and so they contributed to Trump winning. They never brought up that he was a felon, a rapist, or attempted a coup. Nothing.
Only 100 days? In Europe 100 days is more than the time between they call for elections and the elections are done. Even if they are before the end of the term.
The dems lost this election when unpopular senile Biden insisted on running again and no powerful Democrat stopped him
I hope that sentiment keeps you warm and full when you're in the camps.
Do you want there to be "camps" or do you not want there to be "camps"? I'm not quite sure. If you don't want "camps" then the party opposing the republicans needs to get more votes than they did this time and using the same message or strategy again probably won't achieve a better outcome. They need a better message, a better strategy, for all our sakes
I didn't want camps.
#that's why I voted for Harris
now because 20 million cucks refused to vote we get camps. we get LITERAL AMERICAN NAZIS running our country.
good job cucks, you fucked us good.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
Your side lost and your throwing a hissy fit instead of figuring out how to do better next time.
Implying that you do want them now.
Which makes you a fascist.
You make it seem like you'll be cheering on the nazis as long as they punish people you don't like. Which would make you a fascist.
should the worst happen, I would send my soul to burn in hell for all eternity to extract my penance.
read into that however you will.
Keep calling your own people Nazis, it deradicalizes them from your very extreme ideas and eventually they realize most people voting for trump aren't Nazis. The more radical you get, the more rational people flee your ideology.
This person said in another comment that they hoped the person they were replying to would get graped in a concentration camp.
Whether this person voted for kamala or not that is fascist sentiment and its disgusting
I couldn't find that comment, but if they said it, I'm 100% on your side condemning it. Fear statements like that are a fascistic tactic, but then, so is calling everyone who disagrees with you a Nazi.
https://lemmy.ml/modlog?commentId=14789316
Yeah, it's a shitty comment. We agree!