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“To those people who are saying, ‘Well, I can’t support Harris because she disagrees [with] Trump on that issue’ … he will be closer to Netanyahu,” Sanders said on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

Sanders said he thinks Vice President Harris can be moved “on that issue” of the Israel-Hamas war.

Harris has called for a cease-fire deal and pushed for the war in Gaza to end, but she faces scrutiny from both sides — from people who want to see Hamas defeated and those who call for the end of the war in Gaza.

“So, if we are able to elect Harris, I think we’re going to have an opportunity to move her on that issue, to make it clear, we cannot allow children in Gaza to starve to death,” Sanders said. “She will be open to that. I doubt that Trump will.”

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

We will kill them slowly vs we will kill them faster.

For a year now instead of escalation, the democrats allow Israel to commit a genocide in Gaza, continue genocide in west bank, attack Lebanon, attack Iran, attack Yemen.

All three ask for is “ stop genocide in Gaza “

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Seems like one choice is clearly better. Sure things aren't perfect but the decision should be clear.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's absolutely wild to me that people act like there is some magically viable third option at this point.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's wild that "Harris should change" is interpreted in all cases by people who don't want her to as third party/trump support.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

All she needed was to say: " what Israel is doing is an acceptable, I withdraw my support to Biden, and I am running on a peaceful foreign policy" or any other lies she need to do to secure the votes and make everyone happy. But she insists on doing nothing which makes me wonder why.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

All she needed was to say: " what Israel is doing is an acceptable, I withdraw my support to Biden, and I am running on a peaceful foreign policy"

No, you don't understaaaaaand! Because of this new convenient rule of decorum we just made up, she caaaaaan't differ from Biden in any substantive way! Unless it involves clumsy attempts to appease the fascist party, like promising to put one of them in her cabinet!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For you, if you are okay with these two options that great. Other people refuse to be part of the killing of their people and you cannot force them to take your position.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

It's a trolley problem there is not a third option, you have to choose. Are you pulling the lever or complicit with whatever trump is going to do in office?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Slow death is far more preferably then it isn't incurable and terminal. It creates an opportunity to stop the death. A peace agreement a year from now under Harris means way more people are still alive than if it's under Trump.

That's all that should matter. Slowing it gives time for intervention and for an opposition coalition to grow. This conflict has been going on for decades. Do you really believe things would be better if Israel just killed everyone 20 years ago? Do you believe things will be better if Israel kills everyone now, versus this conflict still existing in 20 years?

Consider to what actual Palestinians in Gaza are saying. They have a clear preference for Harris over Trump.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No the don't, their position is clear that both are evil and they don't care who is running the show. Their position is to resist even without a gun they will pickup a rock ot a stick. Their position is the rather die fighting than dying on bed a slow death.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

https://www.reckon.news/justice/2024/08/do-palestinians-prefer-kamala-harris-or-donald-trump-gazans-weigh-in.html

Yeah, no. Look at what they're actually saying. Their position is that they're hopeful Harris will bring a difference and they're impressed that she's rebuked Netanyahu.