▲ 2065 ▼ Stuck in the middle with you (lemmy.world) submitted 2 years ago by The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world to c/whitepeopletwitter@sh.itjust.works 292 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] ameancow@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (11 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 years ago (5 children) "Get off my lawn kids. And god forbid we train people." The common man won't go out of their way to learn a software they don't even know they will use. Why is it somehow worst for young people? The personal computer as we grew up with is long gone, but somehow, companies and hiring managers expect everyone to be like it is still the case. And let's be real, the vast majority of people don't know how to use excel even if they work with it every day. For them, it's a database with a UI and a chart module. So yeah, ask for 5 years experience for an entry level data entry position, that'll fix it for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago For them, it's a database with a UI and a chart module. permalink fedilink source parent [–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) As someone in the generation mentioned in the OP meme I can confirm, most people in my generation don't know how to use Excel either, didn't know it when we were younger and that is mostly because it is largely used in professional settings for a narrow range of jobs for its actual purpose and everyone else in a slightly wider range of jobs would be better off using a web app with an actual database. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago My last job still had an access app for generating task lists permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* I've met software developers who didn't know how to use Excel properly (in the sense of not even knowing they could use formulas). I think that's very much for the reason you state: they "won’t go out of their way to learn a software they don’t even know they will use". It's not just a "common man" thing, it's an everybody thing - there's just too much stuff and not enough time to learn it all, so even software developers might never find themselves in a situation were they have to understand Excel enough to know such simple things as how to use functions in the cells, how to use references to other cells or how to make some references be relative to a cell's position and other absolute. Mind you, they'll probably learn it way faster than "common" people simply because so much of its advanced usage follows "programmer logic", but that still requires them to be forced to actually use it long enough and often enough that they put the effort into learning it. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ameancow@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) Well I'm your man! Been using Windows since I stopped using DOS. I meet every requirement you've listed here for the job you've described and then some. And not one of your peers will give me a call back. Not one. If nothing else, gimme some pointers about how to make it thru your ATS. If i can get human eyes I can get hired. Problem is getting that far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago And pay is 39k. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frantic6423@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Amen. Been on the hunt for 3 years, had one call back. It's brutal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I am demanding experience for entry level work, simply because the entry-level work pool has zero knowledge how things work. And they don’t need to, that’s not what entry level means. If a skill isn’t needed in day to day life anymore and is needed for the job you’re putting out, it’s no longer a common knowledge skill. When the talent pool changes, so should expectations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] ameancow@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 years ago (5 children) "Get off my lawn kids. And god forbid we train people." The common man won't go out of their way to learn a software they don't even know they will use. Why is it somehow worst for young people? The personal computer as we grew up with is long gone, but somehow, companies and hiring managers expect everyone to be like it is still the case. And let's be real, the vast majority of people don't know how to use excel even if they work with it every day. For them, it's a database with a UI and a chart module. So yeah, ask for 5 years experience for an entry level data entry position, that'll fix it for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago For them, it's a database with a UI and a chart module. permalink fedilink source parent [–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) As someone in the generation mentioned in the OP meme I can confirm, most people in my generation don't know how to use Excel either, didn't know it when we were younger and that is mostly because it is largely used in professional settings for a narrow range of jobs for its actual purpose and everyone else in a slightly wider range of jobs would be better off using a web app with an actual database. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago My last job still had an access app for generating task lists permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* I've met software developers who didn't know how to use Excel properly (in the sense of not even knowing they could use formulas). I think that's very much for the reason you state: they "won’t go out of their way to learn a software they don’t even know they will use". It's not just a "common man" thing, it's an everybody thing - there's just too much stuff and not enough time to learn it all, so even software developers might never find themselves in a situation were they have to understand Excel enough to know such simple things as how to use functions in the cells, how to use references to other cells or how to make some references be relative to a cell's position and other absolute. Mind you, they'll probably learn it way faster than "common" people simply because so much of its advanced usage follows "programmer logic", but that still requires them to be forced to actually use it long enough and often enough that they put the effort into learning it. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ameancow@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago For them, it's a database with a UI and a chart module. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) As someone in the generation mentioned in the OP meme I can confirm, most people in my generation don't know how to use Excel either, didn't know it when we were younger and that is mostly because it is largely used in professional settings for a narrow range of jobs for its actual purpose and everyone else in a slightly wider range of jobs would be better off using a web app with an actual database. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago My last job still had an access app for generating task lists permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago My last job still had an access app for generating task lists permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* I've met software developers who didn't know how to use Excel properly (in the sense of not even knowing they could use formulas). I think that's very much for the reason you state: they "won’t go out of their way to learn a software they don’t even know they will use". It's not just a "common man" thing, it's an everybody thing - there's just too much stuff and not enough time to learn it all, so even software developers might never find themselves in a situation were they have to understand Excel enough to know such simple things as how to use functions in the cells, how to use references to other cells or how to make some references be relative to a cell's position and other absolute. Mind you, they'll probably learn it way faster than "common" people simply because so much of its advanced usage follows "programmer logic", but that still requires them to be forced to actually use it long enough and often enough that they put the effort into learning it. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ameancow@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) Well I'm your man! Been using Windows since I stopped using DOS. I meet every requirement you've listed here for the job you've described and then some. And not one of your peers will give me a call back. Not one. If nothing else, gimme some pointers about how to make it thru your ATS. If i can get human eyes I can get hired. Problem is getting that far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago And pay is 39k. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frantic6423@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Amen. Been on the hunt for 3 years, had one call back. It's brutal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frantic6423@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Amen. Been on the hunt for 3 years, had one call back. It's brutal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I am demanding experience for entry level work, simply because the entry-level work pool has zero knowledge how things work. And they don’t need to, that’s not what entry level means. If a skill isn’t needed in day to day life anymore and is needed for the job you’re putting out, it’s no longer a common knowledge skill. When the talent pool changes, so should expectations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] ameancow@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ameancow@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent