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Row as Starmer suggests landlords and shareholders are not ‘working people’ (www.telegraph.co.uk)

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This isn't hard to understand.

Owning stock doesn't make you a worker. Being a landlord doesn't make you a worker.

If you work on top of the above, you are a worker. If you do not, you aren't.

There's a big difference between "a landlord isn't a worker" and "a landlord cannot be a worker."

An absolutely based comment from Starmer.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I agree with you, but that's not what Keir Starmer said. His spokesperson recanted it, but what he said originally was stupid.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Lol whatever you say.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Read the news please.

When asked by Sky News if someone who works but also gets income from shares or property is a working person, Starmer said “they wouldn’t come within my definition.”

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

But if he said "income from owning shares isn't eligible for PAYE taxation and therefore isn't covered by a pledge to not increase taxes on workers' earnings" he wouldn't have a headline and you would be accusing him of talking like a politician and breaking promises.

But no, he was asked this in the context of some disingenuous question like "bbbut you promised not to raise taxes on working people, and this will hurt working people, aren't people with a hardworking fast food day job and a tiny bit extra from a few shares or renting out their spare bedroom just to make ends meet exactly the working people you promised not to raise taxes on?"

And Starmer says no, and now we have a headline because a bunch of shareholders who are experts at hoarding money because it's all they really care about are as pissed as they ever get because tHe GovErNmunT iS tAkiN aLL MY mUnnY.

It's the daily telegraph, for goodness sake. When did they ever care about ordinary people's finances?!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

No he did not.

He said that in his definition of working taxes. No, that person is not a worker.

And the Tory party agrees. That is why they call it capital gains tax rather than income.

This whole argument has been stirred by the right wing press since the election. Tories have constantly tried to claim the manifesto promise of no rise in working taxes means no tax rises at all.

It is an out right lie. And Starmer et al make it worse by refusing to address it.

Nothing the Tory party says or believes on taxation matches these claims. It is just a desperate attempt to sow division.