▲ 132 ▼ ‘There is no money’: Cuba fears total collapse amid grid failure and financial crisis (www.theguardian.com) submitted 2 years ago by Hubi@feddit.org to c/world@lemmy.world 22 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] DeadPand@midwest.social 44 points 2 years ago (3 children) United States needs to stop the stupid sanctions permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago This is what those sanctions are meant to cause. The idea is to force a change in regime from within. It's ridiculous that we're still doing it 50 years later. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but that won't solve the fundamental problems that led up to this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yet it might have solved those problems had the sanctions been lifted 20+ years ago, allowing Cuba more access to diversifying their power grid through being able to get better deals for parts than they currently can. The sanctions are part and parcel to why they're struggling, and to ignore that they've been extremely limited in who they can trade with, and that limits their options for budgeting what they can buy because they have very few suppliers, is foolhardy. No, we can't fix the past, but we can recognize that it might have gone very differently had sanctions been lifted long ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago The fundamental problem is not "Cuba pays slightly more for its parts from China", the fundamental problems run much deeper. Cuba spent thirty years embracing a position as a resource colony for the Soviet Union in exchange for massive subsidies on their sugar exports (the Sovs paid 5x the market price for Cuban sugar) and invested that money - nobly, but not wisely - in raising living standards instead of the creation of an economic base that wasn't reliant on total vassalhood to a powerful state on the other side of the planet. It emerged from the end of the Cold War with a well-educated and healthy population, but no real economic prospects with the collapse of the Soviet Union and its massive amounts of aid which subsidized the sluggish economy of the Cuban government. So what did the Cuban government do? Nothing. Fucking nothing. Not wholly true, I suppose - they vacillated between encouraging private enterprise and cracking down on it, which, ironically, was more ruinous than just doing either alone. Fidel Castro himself admitted that the government policy royally fucked up in the 90s-2000s transitional period. After Fidel's death, Raoul also admitted that the agricultural sector of the country was ultra-fucked. After Raoul's retirement, the Cuban government has been hesitant to make fundamental changes to the government because the Castro family was what lent the government legitimacy outside of its socialist credentials - leaving them slowly taking on water and sinking in a mess several decades in the making. As it stands now, Cuba is reliant on a meagre tobacco industry, rum, promising mineral rights to China, and remittances from the expats in the dreaded Yanqui Empire (the remittances quite literally outstripping the total value of Cuba's exports). permalink fedilink source parent [–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 2 years ago Aint this is the state goal of the santions tho permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago This is what those sanctions are meant to cause. The idea is to force a change in regime from within. It's ridiculous that we're still doing it 50 years later. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but that won't solve the fundamental problems that led up to this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yet it might have solved those problems had the sanctions been lifted 20+ years ago, allowing Cuba more access to diversifying their power grid through being able to get better deals for parts than they currently can. The sanctions are part and parcel to why they're struggling, and to ignore that they've been extremely limited in who they can trade with, and that limits their options for budgeting what they can buy because they have very few suppliers, is foolhardy. No, we can't fix the past, but we can recognize that it might have gone very differently had sanctions been lifted long ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago The fundamental problem is not "Cuba pays slightly more for its parts from China", the fundamental problems run much deeper. Cuba spent thirty years embracing a position as a resource colony for the Soviet Union in exchange for massive subsidies on their sugar exports (the Sovs paid 5x the market price for Cuban sugar) and invested that money - nobly, but not wisely - in raising living standards instead of the creation of an economic base that wasn't reliant on total vassalhood to a powerful state on the other side of the planet. It emerged from the end of the Cold War with a well-educated and healthy population, but no real economic prospects with the collapse of the Soviet Union and its massive amounts of aid which subsidized the sluggish economy of the Cuban government. So what did the Cuban government do? Nothing. Fucking nothing. Not wholly true, I suppose - they vacillated between encouraging private enterprise and cracking down on it, which, ironically, was more ruinous than just doing either alone. Fidel Castro himself admitted that the government policy royally fucked up in the 90s-2000s transitional period. After Fidel's death, Raoul also admitted that the agricultural sector of the country was ultra-fucked. After Raoul's retirement, the Cuban government has been hesitant to make fundamental changes to the government because the Castro family was what lent the government legitimacy outside of its socialist credentials - leaving them slowly taking on water and sinking in a mess several decades in the making. As it stands now, Cuba is reliant on a meagre tobacco industry, rum, promising mineral rights to China, and remittances from the expats in the dreaded Yanqui Empire (the remittances quite literally outstripping the total value of Cuba's exports). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yet it might have solved those problems had the sanctions been lifted 20+ years ago, allowing Cuba more access to diversifying their power grid through being able to get better deals for parts than they currently can. The sanctions are part and parcel to why they're struggling, and to ignore that they've been extremely limited in who they can trade with, and that limits their options for budgeting what they can buy because they have very few suppliers, is foolhardy. No, we can't fix the past, but we can recognize that it might have gone very differently had sanctions been lifted long ago. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago The fundamental problem is not "Cuba pays slightly more for its parts from China", the fundamental problems run much deeper. Cuba spent thirty years embracing a position as a resource colony for the Soviet Union in exchange for massive subsidies on their sugar exports (the Sovs paid 5x the market price for Cuban sugar) and invested that money - nobly, but not wisely - in raising living standards instead of the creation of an economic base that wasn't reliant on total vassalhood to a powerful state on the other side of the planet. It emerged from the end of the Cold War with a well-educated and healthy population, but no real economic prospects with the collapse of the Soviet Union and its massive amounts of aid which subsidized the sluggish economy of the Cuban government. So what did the Cuban government do? Nothing. Fucking nothing. Not wholly true, I suppose - they vacillated between encouraging private enterprise and cracking down on it, which, ironically, was more ruinous than just doing either alone. Fidel Castro himself admitted that the government policy royally fucked up in the 90s-2000s transitional period. After Fidel's death, Raoul also admitted that the agricultural sector of the country was ultra-fucked. After Raoul's retirement, the Cuban government has been hesitant to make fundamental changes to the government because the Castro family was what lent the government legitimacy outside of its socialist credentials - leaving them slowly taking on water and sinking in a mess several decades in the making. As it stands now, Cuba is reliant on a meagre tobacco industry, rum, promising mineral rights to China, and remittances from the expats in the dreaded Yanqui Empire (the remittances quite literally outstripping the total value of Cuba's exports). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago The fundamental problem is not "Cuba pays slightly more for its parts from China", the fundamental problems run much deeper. Cuba spent thirty years embracing a position as a resource colony for the Soviet Union in exchange for massive subsidies on their sugar exports (the Sovs paid 5x the market price for Cuban sugar) and invested that money - nobly, but not wisely - in raising living standards instead of the creation of an economic base that wasn't reliant on total vassalhood to a powerful state on the other side of the planet. It emerged from the end of the Cold War with a well-educated and healthy population, but no real economic prospects with the collapse of the Soviet Union and its massive amounts of aid which subsidized the sluggish economy of the Cuban government. So what did the Cuban government do? Nothing. Fucking nothing. Not wholly true, I suppose - they vacillated between encouraging private enterprise and cracking down on it, which, ironically, was more ruinous than just doing either alone. Fidel Castro himself admitted that the government policy royally fucked up in the 90s-2000s transitional period. After Fidel's death, Raoul also admitted that the agricultural sector of the country was ultra-fucked. After Raoul's retirement, the Cuban government has been hesitant to make fundamental changes to the government because the Castro family was what lent the government legitimacy outside of its socialist credentials - leaving them slowly taking on water and sinking in a mess several decades in the making. As it stands now, Cuba is reliant on a meagre tobacco industry, rum, promising mineral rights to China, and remittances from the expats in the dreaded Yanqui Empire (the remittances quite literally outstripping the total value of Cuba's exports). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 2 years ago Aint this is the state goal of the santions tho permalink fedilink source parent