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‘Inhumane and wicked’: anguish over Italy’s expanded surrogacy ban (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 3 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Most who seek surrogacy overseas, which is now punishable by jail terms and fines, are heterosexual couples

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What do you think about "altruistic surrogacy", mentioned in the article? Presumably if someone is volunteering that avoids the exploitation angle?

Approaching from another angle, do you think sex work should be legal? It's another area where exploitation and abuse are a concern. But if we expect someone can earn money using their body in one area (sex work, or even just physical labor) then why should it be illegal to earn money by carrying a baby to term? Exploitation should be made illegal, not the act itself.

Lastly, my understanding is that surrogacy is more often used when a woman is unable to carry the baby, than when a man is unable to impregnate.

I hear you that rich people are selfish and causing any number of problems. That said, I think your approach misses the suffering of many normal people who want to raise a child and would be unable to otherwise.

Even if this was an activity that someone thinks should be restricted, should it be punishable with jail time? I don't think so. The law in Italy seems clearly designed to target LGBT people.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Volunteering is fine, paying is not. There’s consensus in the philosophical literature that commodified surrogacy is immoral.

People use their bodies for work, true. The difference when it comes to giving birth is that

each birth shortens a woman’s lifespan by 2 to 4 (let me know if you want links to the medical research).
giving birth is the most intense endocrinological process in the animal kingdom and can be psychologically scarring, especially if you need to give up your baby.
there’s no good reason to do it. When you hire someone to work with their body (for instance, construction) we consider the risks associated with that work and weigh them against the need for that work to get done (its utility). Is there an alternative? Is it really worth it? How much would people get hurt? What’s the possibility for exploitation? Simply put, whereas many types of physical labor have to get done and aren’t all that harmful, we tend to make illegal the ones that don’t need to get done or which are harmful. For instance, we don’t look kindly on mining for radioactive material without protective equipment. We have OSHA, we don’t allow you to be paid to chop off your own body parts for someone else’s amusement, etc.
it’s dangerous! In the United States donating a kidney — yes, having a kidney cut out of your body — is safer in the long (and short) term than giving birth. If we allowed surrogacy, we would have to allow organ selling, which is technically safer. That’s the death knell of civilized society. Political arguments will be, “why should we help the poor when they can sell their organs or do surrogacy.”

Regarding sex work, you’re right; it’s so profitable and ubiquitous that making it illegal creates a black market, which is one of the main sources of harm for that industry; legalizing and regulating it makes it less exploitative and dangerous. The opposite is true for surrogacy, which is neither ubiquitous nor profitable (hence the exploitation of poor foreign girls).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think it's a strange position to take that giving birth is like handling radioactive material.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yes, giving birth is a major medical event, one that is quantifiably more harmful than losing a kidney. Is this news to you? Are you a moron or a psychopath?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You're being rude for no reason

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Your stupidity offends me.